What this Passive-Reset Proves.

It appears the op is in fact angry at the current system.

Rightly so. From what I have gleaned off the thread, its not respecs he wants to fix any possible mistakes, but be able to SEE the changes a passive provides before applying the point to see if its even worth it. The only place one can currently see that is on third party programs.

That, is a valid complaint. Currently its a archaic clunky way of handling it from over ten years ago and has no real reason of currently being in the game. Is it in fact to much to ask to be able to see a toons stats wile having the passive tree up?

Would it be truly bad to have a built in game wiki to help the new players understand the game? Hell it doesn't even have to have everything right off the bat, but could unlock sections as the player finds and starts using these mechanics.

Edit: I to would be pissed off if I re rolled a toon and found out that the new build I am going to use I am unable to due to not meeting stat requirements, and not having a single idea on where those requirements start as I have ZERO ways of viewing them inside of the game with the tree. That alone provides a needless delete of the toon and a re roll that truly can be avoid.

Edit 2: This system, when some thought is put into it, is meant to chase off the new players, yet they release content for said new players to retain them. Wile they still will not address the issues that are chasing the vast majority of players that they could have had away in the first place.

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allionus wrote:

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larkstongue wrote:

Dude. Just go play something else. Or see a psychiatrist; you must be nuts typing up these long freaking posts on something which the majority of the targeted player base views as a non-issue.

Online (out of game) resources are a big part of the PC gaming culture. Player guides and tools are not going anywhere. Don't want to use them? Then don't, you can instead - join a guild - socialize - discuss build/class approaches in-game. Don't want to do any of this? Then you've completely defeated the point of an online gaming community. There's plenty of us who still enjoy the learning curve of trial and error.

This game does not need what you're asking for. Like, at all. I suppose I should add that I'm very much a casual player and have indeed experienced the dismay of a shit character build being new to the game.

Neither does it need blind people like you. The point is not "Me not wanting to use those Tools", It's "People here pretending like nothing becomes easier by using those tools, when that's the very fucking reason everyone uses them lol".

You know how some people get used to it, some people change it, we're those people. You know which one you are. Your apathy does not interest me.


But i don't hate people for it, It's human nature to surround yourself with things that strengthen your belief, whether it be true or not, doesn't really matter.

And nice advice on having me go see a shrink, i could really talk to him/her about the shallow people in this world and what to do wif em

Nothing NEEDS changing though and nothing you can say or do is going to change the fact that these avenues exist for the playerbase, adding any form of tree reset will do nothing to alleviate these outside resources and the game was designed with specific workarounds for this very issue. It really isn't that bad. The entire premise of your thread is baffling.

Shit thread.

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DoomCarpace wrote:

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allionus wrote:

I think i forgot to mention this in a quote previously; People can STILL COPY FLAVOURS OF THE MONTH, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS JUST SPEND A FEW HOURS GRINDING TO MAKE A PUPPET TO APPLY THE FLAVOUR TO IS ALL. ASSHOLES ALWAYS GONNA BE ASSHOLES, THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN STOP PEOPLE FROM COPYING OTHER PEOPLE, AND WE CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM MAKING OTHER PEOPLE COPY THEM EITHER.what we can do is allow people who don't give a fuck about these kind of people and just wanna find their own way without taking/copying someone else.


COMEON LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT IS A GAME, HOW BAD DO YOU HAVE TO BE, THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN BUILD A FUNCTIONAL PASSIVE TREE.

So can we at least please stop pretending that the current system is any sort of a solution?kty.

Look the only way that the tree would not be functional is if the passive nodes are broken. Where you would have a lot of nodes that do not work as intended or do absolutely nothing at all.

The only thing that tree does not do is show you the perfect optimal build for whatever you are wanting. That is something that you have to find on your own. Just like in D2 if you wanted a perfect WolfHowl Barb then you would have to know how to go about getting that done.

You can still take your own build. The only thing is that when you do not fully understand the mechanics the chances of screwing up increase. Also if you want to have a perfectly optimized build of your own then you have to do the work of doing the math. Finding if is stat A is better for build X or Stat B is better for that build

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Re rolling has nothing to do with being able to "Handle" leveling from normal act 1 to merciless act 3. The point is that i don't wanna do that every time i find something new about the tree.

Not because im a little sissy bitch who likes it easy all the time and wants to be spoon fed all the good shiznit.

But because I DONT FUCKING WANNA WASTE MY LIFE PLAYING THRU THE SAME BORING PILE OF SHIT EVERY TIME I WANNA CORRECT MY MISTAKES, I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN YOUR BRAIN UPDATES YOU ON THE TREE, BUT HERE IT HAPPENS AROUND ONCE EVERYTIME I LOOK AT THE PASSIVE TREE!

I am gonna try not entice another response fueled by anger or offense, so please DO NOT compare D3 to this game, YOU ARE THE SOURCE OF YOUR PROBLEM HERE! You Keep thinking that this game is gonna become like DIABLO, guess what? IT ALREADY IS, IT HAS SO MUCH IN COMMON WITH THE GAME, YOU CAN NOT CHANGE IT, SO CAN THE ONLY REASON YOU HAVE FOR DEFENDING THIS BS NOT BE YOUR HATE TOWARDS DIABLO 3, WHEN THAT GAME HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US HERE! FK!

Look FYI I love D3 and play it along with this game. But still that does not mean that D3 is not easy mode. Just ask anyone else here and they will tell you that compared to this game D3 is without a doubt easy mode. You do not have to do as much thinking as you do in this game.

Also others will tell you that D3 is nothing like the first two games. Since you obviously ignored my last reply on that subject. So just talk to others about D3 and you will see what I am saying.

But then again, you can't base what you think is good on the standards of another game, If the only good reason you have is a reset will make the game easier, then you haven't even tried to see how it is actually a harder mode than Diable or the current PoE. Instead of being allowed to skip hard to play characters by making new ones, you keep coming back to try on the same character every time, the need to research builds becomes unimportant, (people who wanna copy will still copy as they do now).

Why don't you just acknowledge the fact that What the Current game does right now, is give you one try to not fuck up, which is connected to the need to grind again for days. Look, It's ok if Some people just like to spend several hours spending leveling or farming for regret orbs.

But there comes a point where you think " I know this game is a waste of time like every other game, from an existential point of view, but i think this extra grinding crap and

Probably 1 in 1,000,000 Chance of a Mirror of Kalandra dropping. But Tell me whether this game was made with more focus on Difficulty or grinding time? I think it might be latter, with the way everything looks to be designed in this game.I guess nobody bothers looking for the mirrors haha and just buys them, guess that's planned too.

Please, i will slap anyone who dares say that The current mode actually gives "challenge". Please, someone PROVE IT IN ONE SENTENCE, A SENTENCE THAT CONTAINS NOTHING ELSE BUT THE REASON FOR THIS BEING A BETTER OPTION THAN MY PURPOSED IDEA.


haha its funny when you say the tree doesn't show yo uthe perfect optimal build. But all the sites and the tools do, which all you have to do is alt-tab in and apply. SO PLEASE, ACCEPT the fact that the game fails at not handing people stuff, Its just more "INDIRECT", through other tools. " hey hey, look all these items are too low on drop rates, why not just go buy them, YEAH On a SECOND NOTE, I WANNA ASK you ; Why are you so against this But still say nothing about the win shops that the GAME ALLOWS TO RUN!

You're way too damn focused on an issue that isn't going to be resolved by whatever ideas you may have. Paid resets are entirely unnecessary for this style of game. The "challenge" you're referring to is completely subjective and besides, if you've fucked up the toon so completely that the quest-given refunds and a few regret orbs wouldn't resolve the build, you're really not playing the same character upon reroll.

Oh yes,

I believe i have found out a proper summarisation of this game.

-People think grinding normal-merciless is "challenging".


-People think that using tools and guides to build the perfect tree is OK, as long as you do it OUTSIDE THE GAME (and then come and apply it in game)



-People seem to not mention the SHOPS, EVER. Well i guess that doesn't make the game Pay to Win, a SHOP, where you can Buy ANYTHING IN THE GAME (even resets). THis is a current offer from the site :



20 x Chaos Orb
2,02 USD

Exalted Orb
2,22 USD

Vaal Orb
3,03 USD

Oh wow, 20 Chaos orbs for jusr 2 Dollars. haha THIS ISNT PAY TO WIN, FAGIT, THIS IS GAME MECHANIK U NOE NOTHIG FAGIT, IZ IN GAEM ALL TIEM, IS NATUREL, IS GODE, WOWE, SUCH BALANCE,
NO Paye to wowe
Just Honest
No Biased
Much acknowledgement.
such lel.


-People think that introducing a weekly reset would make the game easier, without even having decent proof or any counter-argument.

-People seem to think that this game is competing with DIalbo 3 haha.

- And the above idea leads people to Defend this game without reason and like mad fanboys from anything and everything thinking that any idea introduced will fuck this game, and just take everything the devs throw at them and swallow it like it's a snickers bar,


-The devs have failed to implement a Market Zone, where they can sell items, instead of Spamming LOCAL PARTIES TO SELL ITEMS, and People spending all day on Trade Chat spamming the same shit, instead the people who wanna sell and buy can just Tp to a zone and set up their shops and players can visit accordingly, BUT NO, THE GAME IS SOOOOOOO PERFECT 10/10 would fanboy innit?







You people need to take a good fucking look at this game and then come talk to me about how i am wrong.



It's like PoE is Christianity, Diablo 3 is Islam and i am critical thinking, but every time i try to help christianity fix itself by introducing clearly better ideas, they keep screaming to me : "WE DON'T WANNA BECOME LIKE ISLAM(diablo 3,) WE ARE HAPPY THE WAY WE ARE"!!! SHOO !! STOP BREAKING THE ILLUSION OF OUR PERFECT WORLD....


i think i have come to realise that some people protect this game like religion, like fools.


HEy Chop Chop Fagits, I ain't got all day, i am done talking properly now.

Assturds buying items online, buying resets online, buying maps online, buying builds online, Armour/weapons, Stealing builds online... OH WAIT, i meant "Research", haha THEN THEY COME TO ME AND TELL ME HOW THE PASSIVE TREE CHANGE IS GONNA FUCK UP THIS GAME HAHAHAAHAA. NEWS FLASH, IT'S NOT DOING TOO GREAT RIGHT NOW EITHER

Anyone who thinks i am wrong, Make a NON-QUOTE post, and Only write material that proves ME WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING I WROTE HERE. Not wrong to fanboys, but to people who actually think while making decisions.

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larkstongue wrote:

You're way too damn focused on an issue that isn't going to be resolved by whatever ideas you may have. Paid resets are entirely unnecessary for this style of game. The "challenge" you're referring to is completely subjective and besides, if you've fucked up the toon so completely that the quest-given refunds and a few regret orbs wouldn't resolve the build, you're really not playing the same character upon reroll.

you are actually too focused on not letting the passive tree change to See the bgger problems this game has, and so many of them. I whish you good luck, i don't think im gonna stick around a game who's majority of the community pretends like this game is not pay 2 win, and can suck each other off so everyone can pretend like the game's perfect.
Like when everyone in the world becomes a rapist, then raping won't also be condemned or called wrong, because every one is in on it lol.

And such is your nature with animals, people of other creeds, people who believe in something different than you. well at least for the ones who don't bother to think.



when you think of one thing as TRUE, your belief CHANGES NOTHING about it. the only thing that changes is your perception of it! And if you believe hard enough and close your eyes tight enough, IT BECOMES IRREFUTABLE, But again i guess you are too busy believing, and not busy thinking.

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Nicholas_Steel wrote:

Anyways, OP is angry that people are using 3rd party tools to plan out their character build. The solution proposed by him? Make it significantly easier to change players builds on-the-fly! Ditch the current skill tree because it discourages/slows down copying other players builds that you want to try on a whim!

haha another one. Ok, I am not angry about people using 3rd party tools " to plan out their build" as you have said, silly man. It's the fact that the same people think it doesn't give them a great advantage over anyone who does not have access to the tools(now what? you gonna say it's their fault for not searching for TEH TEWLLLSSS, think a little more than about yourself, prick ,lol. Yeah you deserve this for making such a shallow post which you might even just have copied from someone else

But just go look at the Item shop and shove the items up your mouth, just 2$ for 20 chas orbs Enjoy your "fair" Game hahaha .Have fun, Shoving up that idea of this game being fair up your ass along with those chaos orbs and other " HOT DEALS" on the online shop haha. " ohohoh look at my beautiful game's Passive tree, that Solves everything AHAHAHHA." " OH WAIT, WHAT IS THIS ONLINE SHOP DOING IN THE MIDDLE OF MY PERFECT GAME




WAIT, DO YOU KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO RESET YOUR CHARACTER RIGHT NOW,, WITH THE PERFECT PASSIVE TREE CURRENTLY IN PLACE? ??

HERE, THE ANSWER IS HERE : http://www.randyrun.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=regret&searchsubmit=




.ignorance truly is bliss.


(maybe i should try some towards your kind of people)

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Lestat13 wrote:

Shit thread.

#impact.

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Fruz wrote:

GGG should give warning to people writing too much with CAPS, because it's really annoying.

GGG should give warning to people who don't see the online shops that are available to buy LITERALLY anything you want, even the Resets LOL.

Haha now with having a bad passive tree, this game is also P2W, well it always was, whether you saw it or not.

You know what the ggg should do? Delete every post like yours, that is baseless and has no proper thought put into it.


( it would be such a burn if someone said "they should do that to you" hashahaha)





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