What this Passive-Reset Proves.

Everyone gets the skill reset. Most people just build back to what they had, with all the modifications that they forgot about last time. And if someone thinks this game brings something good with it's "No full reset policy", i will prove you wrong.

Now i will tell you why this tree is bullshit, along with the bullshit beliefs people have about this skill tree.

1: No direct information of what impact the selection of points will do(The TREE TOOLS show it)

2: the Inability to even see for a single nano-second what changes are gonna occur. (TREE TOOLS allow it)

3: If i try to Put 1 point every time, and check "C", then put another point, Carefully spending points ; I can realise after 2 hours that one supporting/connecting node is not right or needs changing. Do you expect me to re roll every time? or even one time? ( The TREE TOOLS allow this)

4: Many people will just copy (don't be ignorant, this is true) builds from another, since they get all their characters which they screwed up last time as i have been seeing people. ( This is Reality, disprove it otherwise)

5: Not a SINGLE person says "The passive tree is good, you should experiment different builds as it gives you freedom and is rewarding" oh no. What they say is : "Here, look at these handy tools and websites i used to make my build, you should use these calculators outside the game and pretend like it's not cheating too, so we can all become the same kind of people and defend each other"

6: No grace period even inside towns to at least see what the changes bring to my character sheet(shown on other build tools) without having to reset everything, of This is so fucking retarded, it makes less sense than Miley. GGG's idea of balancing & reward and punishment are very poor, self-justified, clunky, and supported by the ignorant unchanging perception of people who've found a way around this by safe builds.

SO BASICALLY, The outer Tools are OBVIOUSLY BETTER than the GGG's Passive tree, since people use them so often, and from seeing them, i can personally say they are several times more detailed, and hell!!!, you can even RESET THEM again and Again and again, lol.


Please, do elaborate what this currently set system was implemented for and what it was meant to promote/achieve, and let us see who is more correct.


In the end, Your Passive tree is like the Wife who you think you love, but then every other day, you go sleep with another woman who you have an affair with, because at the entire time telling yourself that you love your wife and she's perfect and that you're doing nothing wrong. At the same time, you make up for the shortcomings by going somewhere else. In this case, it being the external tools, lol.

MY situation for example is currently like this : at lv 60, tried own build, got low at survival, was hard doing solo (because 10%), so was stuck at lv 60 for few days(didn't play much either with him) and no way would i be a retard and re roll ( because i know resets will come, as does everyone else but people gonna pretend, let them live in their sorry minds).

After the patch:

i have 78 points left.

I cannot use : My equips ( so i cant see their impact on character sheet), i cannot use my gems, i cannot equip any other items, since too low stats. Neither can i see on the passive page(which eats whole screen) how the change will affect me ( BUT I CAN ON THE TOOLS) HAHAHA!. Suck it.

What i can do : Ask someone for a build that worked, copy a build online, Get them tools, try a dozen times ( which all mean a RE-ROLL in game. SO yeah real fair, assholes.) Oh btw, THEY Show Instant value changes the very second i put a point on a node. ( but GGG is the best along with their tree, Innit?! hahhahaha!)

oh, almost forgot about Trying my own, completely unique builds like real gamers used to. OH WAIT HAHAHAHA, I CAN'T DO IT, HAHA, BECAUSE I'M GONNA HAVE TO RE ROLL EVERY TIME I FUCK UP. HAHAHA Real Badass. what a jerk-off tree, and what a jerk-off reason to keep it going.

( right now- most inclined towards 'adapting' someone's proven build, or spamming Talent calculator, like most of the assholes here.)

Mind my Lebanese.

The only what I've use the tree tools was because I wanted to see the new three display before, not because of the additional informations it provides ( which are actually wrong compared to what I have IG, totally wrong ).
You don't need the tools to plan a skill tree, at all, you just have to think a little about what you wanna do, and do it smartly.

And the two characters I've been playing have gotten more out of this three than the previous one.


It's not really the tree but the global policy of the game - 'hidding' showing many informations - that you are basically blaming.
I'm fine with it, but I can understand how many people don't like it though.

What this passive tree reset proves, is that any change ever will be complained about ridiculously because people complain if things change.

And gaps between patches prove if you don't change things, people will complain cause it isn't changing.

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Fruz wrote:

The only what I've use the tree tools was because I wanted to see the new tree display before, not because of the additional information it provides ( which are actually wrong compared to what I have IG, totally wrong ).
You don't need the tools to plan a skill tree, at all, you just have to think a little about what you wanna do, and do it smartly.

And the two characters I've been playing have gotten more out of this three than the previous one.


It's not really the tree but the global policy of the game - 'hidding' showing many informations - that you are basically blaming.
I'm fine with it, but I can understand how many people don't like it though.

The thing is, i can be fine with having nothing at all too. But i can't just let this false idol exist :\. I can understand people only using the tools for glancing and some foresight, but if you did that in the game, wouldn't it have caused you to potentially screw up because you can see nothing unless you save the point, and suffer by either grinding the grind orbs or re rolling, which can take the same time.


The Main Mainnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Reason why i OPPOSE this is because There are too many Workarounds to this 'system' they've put in place. People can just avoid all the punishment, and then the same people defend it, walking around like they're saints who never went outside the game for an advantage. you see what hypocrisy it promotes?

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allionus wrote:

1: No direct information of what impact the selection of points will do(The TREE TOOLS show it)

2: the Inability to even see for a single nano-second what changes are gonna occur.

Just accept that everything you download is AS-IS, use as you see fit, no guarantees.

PoE has a great support network, mostly funded and maintained by third parties:

Path of Exile Wiki:
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Path_of_Exile_Wiki/wiki/Path_of_Exile_Wiki

Path of Exile Statistics:
http://poestatistics.com/

PoE Currency Values:
http://exilestats.com/ex/

PoE Shops Indexer:
http://poe.xyz.is/

PoE Skill Tree Calculator
POESkillTree1.51.zip

The last utility is what you'll want to use before reworking your skill tree in-game. You'll need to download it, unzip, and set it up on your PC. That shouldn't be a hurdle to anyone who takes PoE seriously enough to craft a custom build.

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RogueMage wrote:

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allionus wrote:

1: No direct information of what impact the selection of points will do(The TREE TOOLS show it)

2: the Inability to even see for a single nano-second what changes are gonna occur.

Just accept that everything you download is AS-IS, use as you see fit, no guarantees.

PoE has a great support network, mostly funded and maintained by third parties:

Path of Exile Wiki:
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Path_of_Exile_Wiki/wiki/Path_of_Exile_Wiki

Path of Exile Statistics:
http://poestatistics.com/

PoE Currency Values:
http://exilestats.com/ex/

PoE Shops Indexer:
http://poe.xyz.is/

PoE Skill Tree Calculator
POESkillTree1.51.zip

I might feel like i am being extremely critical about ggg, but this is what someone has to do when people justify something like this. Kind of like the burning of witches lol. Or Homophobia.

The last utility is what you'll want to use before reworking your skill tree in-game. You'll need to download it, unzip, and set it up on your PC. That shouldn't be a hurdle to anyone who takes PoE seriously enough to craft a custom build.

But don't you think that a game which you paid money for, and supported, should atleast bother to improve their shortcomings?

Shouldn't a game be independent of wikies etc,? Shouldn't they just be a part of the game, somewhere you go search if you want to, not because if you don't you'll probably screw up and roll the same class again, when there's option to roll other 6 which start differently?

Right now they have a system in place, that could allow all of this in-game, but doesn't.

Because they didn't bother put a little board with information on all this, in the camps, which could tell players the recipes etc, etc to get stuff, and the value of their items, So many Players who KNEW about it, used this knowledge to EXPLOIT People, Like back when to get chaos orbs, you didn't need min 60 ilevel, and People abused others who didn't know about it ////// THE DEVELOPERS FORGOT TO PUT this information in the game.. What i am doing now is : straight up asking people on the global chat to tell me if they found a working shadow build, which i can copy. Because that is what most people do here. And much in part thanks to the DEVS themselves. They were unwise.

I have no idea what this thread is about. Are you complaining for not knowing certain things? That just comes from experience. I see no reason why GGG needs to tell you every nuance of the game so that you can produce an optimal build without a bit of effort on your part. That's part of their whole design philosophy, that players can makes choices and that some of those choices may completely wreck their character or destroy the item they are trying to roll.

You can allocate all of the points and not click accept and then move them around if you want. That's way better than it used to be. Many games, I'd say all ARPG's and RPG's have extensive out of game information that players can access in order to make ideal choices. Hell even a game as simple as BL2 has a slew of threads dissecting every skill point selection possible to reach an optimal build - and then comparing those choices to gear selection. Nothing in BL2 tells you what skills to pick or what weapons to farm or anything else. I don't see that as a problem.

Certainly people will copy other builds - the whole of human progress is built on that same concept. Do you think the person who built your house figured out all of that shit in a vacuum?

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allionus wrote:

5: Not a SINGLE person says "The passive tree is good, you should experiment different builds as it gives you freedom and is rewarding" oh no. What they say is : "Here, look at these handy tools and websites i used to make my build, you should use these calculators outside the game and pretend like it's not cheating too, so we can all become the same kind of people and defend each other"

I always use the one on the forum.... and do just fine.

I don't understand how its cheating to use something else, but I don't personally so aying everyone uses that is kind of false.

But then when I started playing they didn't exist

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Wittgenstein wrote:

I have no idea what this thread is about. Are you complaining for not knowing certain things? That just comes from experience. I see no reason why GGG needs to tell you every nuance of the game so that you can produce an optimal build without a bit of effort on your part. That's part of their whole design philosophy, that players can makes choices and that some of those choices may completely wreck their character or destroy the item they are trying to roll.

You can allocate all of the points and not click accept and then move them around if you want. That's way better than it used to be. Many games, I'd say all ARPG's and RPG's have extensive out of game information that players can access in order to make ideal choices. Hell even a game as simple as BL2 has a slew of threads dissecting every skill point selection possible to reach an optimal build - and then comparing those choices to gear selection. Nothing in BL2 tells you what skills to pick or what weapons to farm or anything else. I don't see that as a problem.

Certainly people will copy other builds - the whole of human progress is built on that same concept. Do you think the person who built your house figured out all of that shit in a vacuum?

You must be delusional. i am not complaining. I am stating facts.
Every nuance? I do not think Vendor Recipes are "Nuances", neither is the ability to find your item's item level. sell 40% total quality of gems to get a full 20% level 1 gem? "Nuances". The only thing you've come here to do is Defend GGG for some false sense of loyalty. Yeah i can keep moving points around, But what do you want me to do? Copy everything from character sheet to a piece of paper, and KEEP ADDING the changes of every single bloody note individually on that fucking clipboard, which someone else can just do while sitting their fat-ass on the chair and doing everything like in-game, only better, without consequence, and as many times as you want.

Your whole :"That's part of their whole design philosophy, that players can makes choices and that some of those choices may completely wreck their character or destroy the item they are trying to roll" and "That just comes from experience" Bs. Haha, well if that's what it's meant to do, It has Failed and poorly too, Because i can simply avoid ALL negative consequences(like many have already) by doing everything on the External tree and after several videos and guides later to confirm it, apply it to the game, WITHOUT HAVING TO " learn from experience " , lol. So blind, telling me you can't understand why i made this post, of course you can't understand it, you come here with the preconception of me being wrong and GGG being God who can never be wrong. and holding a false perception of what it does. Of course you are gonna defend it now, lol. You blew all that time when there were no tools, and now have the tools to say "nah i don't need an in game passive reset, lol, i can do the whole thing without even affecting my character, huehuehue, and you will keep this shit system because you want everyone to go through the entire unnecessary process,lol. them reasons.


Another part of the "human progress" which you should know about: Realisation, acknowledgement, change.


and the whole house out of the vacuum thingy, his idea came from the first idea, which popped into an ape's brain; of a bunch of rocks having fallen to make a cave which he/she could find shelter in which led to constant changed and improvements.
GGG will be and is at the level of a mud and cow-dung hut, because it never tried to evolve past it's theory of the passive tree. And you know what they say about such things in this world? If they don't adapt, they will die or be forgotten to oblivion.

So, GGG, please, don't be a mud hut.