What this Passive-Reset Proves.
" I haven't used any tools other then the unofficial wiki to research some gameplay mechanics and the official GGG Tree Planner on their website when I can't be assed loading up the game. Majority of stuff is learned from the game, in-game tooltips, the Forum and General Chat channel (In that order). No one thinks it's okay to take part in RMT and no one thinks passive skill resets will stop or hinder RMT in any meaningful way, all it will do is increase/exasperate pre-existing problems in the current metagame for those that don't partake in RMT. You're right that more info should be provided in the game with regards to the skill tree and how it interacts with your character, I will agree to that. Computer specifications: Windows 10 Pro x64 | AMD Ryzen 5800X3D | ASUS Crosshair VIII Hero (WiFi) Motherboard | 32GB 3600MHz RAM | MSI Geforce 1070Ti Gamer | Corsair AX 760watt PSU | Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD & Crucial MX 500 4TB SSD's Last edited by Nicholas_Steel#0509 on Mar 8, 2014, 1:21:49 AM
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" Thank you, that is all i want people to see, that it's not just about me, i actually know where to look if i wanna play the normal way, but hundreds, thousands of people completely green, joining the game, they should at least be made more informed about the value of items/currencies when in the same game world people have so much more knowledge than them and as we speak, people of more knowledge are EXPLOITING unexperienced players because they really don't know what the value of anything really is, unless they go to the exchange pages and the vendor recipe pages and properly understand the system, which should be made available to everyone because people like myself don't go check what the vendor recipes are, because there is hardly any indication to it being there. Many people only do it after being ripped off a few times (i directly attribute this to the lack of info) Why do people here wanna keep PoE as a NON FRIENDLY Game to New players. By that i mean the difference of visible/accessible knowledge among the players. I am still pissed at them for not " Putting the[single] selling price of an item on it's tool tip", don;t you think that would instantly give someone an info that they would have to look for every time for each item, I think this would also Eliminate the constant "PRICE CHECK PLEASE" Spams on the global chat. Another thing that they can do to stop the Trade Chat spams and improve item transactions between people is ; " Make a Zone, like a town, with it's own WP, a huge area, like a bazaar, people who want to SELL or BUY can go there, people who wanna sell items will put up shops(because if you are gonna sell items, might as well dedicate to it and reduce the spam Substantially :P. Then the players who wanna buy an item, can go there, and on a search box, type the item theyre looking for, and find the person selling it. Easy. Much better than spending hours spamming the same thing on chat :\.... Well the idea is very raw as i doubt they'll do it ,but hope they do. (Edit: sorry about my harsh words, i must have been really irritated back then, haha, my bad :P) Or maybe i'm just stupid, as some people have concluded, heuhehhe :D Last edited by allionus#2044 on Mar 8, 2014, 2:14:21 AM
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Honestly allionus, it'd be much easier to discuss this if you weren't acting like some "holier than thou" jackass on a righteous crusade to gamer freedom. You keep accusing others of being blind to change, ignorant, close-minded, yada-yada-yada.
The thing is, which I'm sure anyone else reading can see, is that your pretentious bullshit rambling is oozing with arrogance and this simply isn't going to help your cause in discussing any proposed change. Both of your threads on the topic have more or less followed the same course. I apologize for implying that you may be crazy in a previous posting, but really man, read what you're posting. |
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" I can understand why you would think that. But the thing is, this started out real nice, a week or two back, on steam, it was goin good. small responses to small responses, with decent manners. Then there are some people who come to a Thread with a mindset which is not ready to even accept a possibility of change or of the current passive system being inefficient. Then the same people come to criticize my opinion, telling me that i am wrong, which is fine, but if you call someone wrong, you should yourself be prepared to be proven wrong in the process, and i am pretty sure that a lot of what i wrote is not wrong/ better than what ggg has now. They come here with the very Objective of calling me wrong, and i don't think i should stop from giving people what they deserve, because i have gotten the same in return so it's kinda mutual, and i don't use those words in a condescending manner, just as a raw opinion drawn from responses as have i been called a lot of things, which i don't remember. One other small thing i should mention is that when a person goes to correct someone on their manners, one should keep their whiny bitch mouth closed and talk properly. And apparently me rambling "Pretentious bullshit rambling that is full of arrogant ooze" which you obviously can disprove, Why should the manner of my speech be the matter of your response when i am right in saying that this system is plain shit. and i've stated facts on why it is shit, and what other kinds of shits if makes space for. Oh man, i was gonna acknowledge you as simply being furious over my language, but this looks to be more than just that, lel. Maybe this time you wanna read my posts, along with the posts of others, have some context to my "Holier than Thou Jackass Crusade to Righteous Gaming", but then again, jumping to conclusions could just be a hobby of yours. Haha and if the only time when someone is gonna listen to my *insert insults here* Ideas is if i am expected to Speak nicely to a crowd of fanboys and master critiques and apparent personality experts, Then they can all just fuck off and have a nice day. Please, they should actually just fuck off from the forums if they are not eve nready to change their minds bout it. And you can even fuck off if you think the solutions we came up with are in every way, WORSE than the CURRENT ONE,Without even giving a single fact to support it, and the ones they gave, i disproved them, please, try your hand at it, or stop and leave this thread if you are not ready to even change your mind about this game. |
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" This basically means " Hey, Speak nicely to us while we talk like assholes to you, or we are not gonna change our minds about anything, even if you are right, get to suckin'. If i don't call an ignorant person ignorant, what do i call them? ;D" Oh and thanks for the psychiatric evaluation. |
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" AFAIK such websites that are involved in RMT of virtual goods for this game or any game are not breaking the laws of the land in a way that GGG or any game company could sue them or shut them down. But that does not mean it is okay to use those services and you account will not be banned for using RMT. I am assured that it will because every online game and offline game that I know of does not tolerate RMT and will ban players for using it. But I will tell you what you can put me to the test if you want. Go ahead and by a lot of things on that website then flaunt it at GGG giving them proof that is undeniable that you did just that then find out if they ban you or not. " First of all it is a persons choice to react violently to someone spouting profanity such as you do. Next when I talk about people I am talking about how some people are. I have seen a lot of people that would want to spout off like you but then think twice because they are concerned that they might PO the wrong person and that person whips out a gun and shoots them so fast that their heads would spin. Not nearly enough time to react unless you were paying full attention to the reaction of the individual. Also some people might not give any warning signs. There are some that killing to them is like turning off a light switch. You just do not want to antagonize such people because they just might snap and the one dead would be you. " Look before you can make any real progress you have to accept facts. That there are builds in this game that will be very strong and help a person level efficiently. While still others are better optimize for Piety runs. While still others are better for maps, and certain map mods might give them some trouble so they re-roll those mods to remove them and get new ones. At this point you must think that all builds are created equal. If you think that then how can anyone help you. Anyone that is not willing to listen to real proof then how can that person be helped to see that what he is saying is wrong. Also a person that does not like to admit when he is wrong will not listen and will stick to his guns no matter what. The only thing you are wanting is players to tickle your ear and give you what you want to hear. Sorry but that does not work for me I am not and ear tickler I tell it like it is. To me a person is only trolling when he is not willing to listen and change his mind when he has been clearly proven wrong as you have been through this thread and no doubt your first post on steam. Which btw might have gotten you banned for speaking like this. " Now Einstein tell me how the originator of said builds came across them? Was it by blind chance, one day out of the blue they just ran into the build? Do you really think that the originator of those builds did not suffer the pains of making mistakes until they learned from their mistakes and made the changes that makes their build good or even the FoTM OP'd build? No some of the same problems that you are experiencing because you choose not to use the tools to get the perfectly optimized build is the same thing that others would suffer. Trust me information overload is a good reason not to put more info than is necessary to jump in and play the game. " I see you do not understand something called free will. We are not forced to act according to our nature because if that were the case then no one could be blamed for anything wrong that they do, because they would have zero choice concerning what they do in life like the animals in the world. Also you seem to think that all builds should be a carefully guarded IP that no one should ever have. Well news flash you are wrong for thinking that. |
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" Part of the problem of new players getting ripped off comes from the player not doing the research in the first place. The info is out there all he has to do is ask for it. Probably better to ask here on the forums instead of looking for it while in game due to the fact that other players would likely take advantage of someone that does not know. Which shows how much dishonesty exists in the game world. Players are not the pillars of honesty. Getting ripped off in a game is something that can be avoided with a little effort and common sense. Now how can this truly be a player driven economy if GGG puts a selling price on an item's tool tip. That would make it an GGG driven economy. GGG cannot set prices for the items in the game. Also you will notice that the one you are replying to did not use any special downloaded program or claim to have got a perfectly optimized build just by making a few clicks here and there. " What are you a young teenager that has his parents permission to have an account. Because you seemed to have never heard the phrase two wrongs don't make a right. Just because someone acts like a butthole does not give you the right to act in the same manner. Since you OP here I highly doubt that even your post on steam started out nice. I mean what did the players here do to you personally that made you feel like you needed to carry that baggage from steam over here. Also I think that you posted the language that you did here and probably got banned from the Path of Exile forums on Steam. " When you say hat I am right and everyone else is wrong to the point you will not listen to opposing evidence. It is like in a court of law where you would be up for murder one. Now the prosecuting attorney sees you as guilty. But what do you think should happen if during the course of the trial evidence is shown to clearly and beyond all shadow of doubt proves someone else is the true murder. Oh I know you would expect him to still stick to his guns and call you the true murder right. Even though the jury or the Judge on the bench can clearly see it along with all others present in the courtroom that you are innocent. I guess you would rather go to prison and eventually get killed by the state for murder one just to make that prosecuting attorney happy that he does not have to concede that you are innocent because he would look bad if he did that. So you have to suffer just to make him look good. |
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Yo, guys. I am not presenting a case here. I am not guilty of anything. Stop acting like you are a jury or something, no, you are just a bunch of people arguing about a game,lol. Just like me, nothing more, nothing less. I am calling someone wrong, because they are wrong. The reason to that is the fact that everytime i ask something, they come up with the same answer, and i just keep repeating the same thing over and over again. I am not saying EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG. I said, the people who think the current passive tree is good the way it is, ARE WRONG, as myself among others, have already stated enough reasons for it to change, but i guess the people just wanna let other players get exploited, push players to Online Stores which sell everything, make them re roll the same class again and again instead of giving the freedom of making 7 individual class' characters and allowing to work on them every week, removing the dependency on third party tools, which are the only way to fully understand the passive tree without getting fucked in the ass by the Grind Monster, through out the game's life.
When people relate Grinding to fun, that's their opinion, stop shoving it down other people's throat, you guys aren't even ready to let ANY F**KING OPTIONS BE APPLIED, and then you shut up when they patch whatever they want,allow people to run BUY2WIN Shops, promote Copying of the builds(Proven by the huge lump of builds everywhere, which you deny again, and again, and then people expect me to keep my cool, after saying the same shit for over 2 weeks,lel. "Oooh, Look at the evil Change demon!!!! Shoo him away!!! We don't want any changeeeeeee Eeeeekkk, KEEP YOUR CHANGE TO YOURSELF"" |
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DoomCarpace, i am gonna stop replying to you now, you either just don't pay attention while responding, or fail to see the context, every time.
Oh yeah, you guys are totally right!! OH YES!!!! Yessss, Its OBVIOUSLY THE NEW PLAYER'S FAULT for getting ripped off by the MORE EXPERIENCED PLAYERS LIKE YOURSELF. OBVIOUSLY, IF THEY DIDN'T WANNA GET RIPPED OFF ON THEIR FIRST DAY PLAYING THE GAME, THEY SHOULD HAVE SPENT THE TIME FIRST FINDING OUT ABOUT IT, BEFORE TRUSTING SOMEONE IN THE GAME FOR A PRICE, YEAH OBVIOUSLY, HAHA, YOU ARE RIGHT !!! SORRY I ARGUED WITH YOUR GREAT LOGIC, xoxoxoxo, sorry i didn't realise how right you were. OH And i didn't Even Relaise that a game Can't even Control it's own economy by changing drop rates and roll rates releasing new currencies, OK, Now i know, thanks to you, THANK YOU FOR OPENING MY EYES <3 <3 <3!!!! Also, Just to prove a point to you, i would go and buy several Dollars worth of random items and go flaunt it to GGG, just so they could "ban" me Like they have banned thousands of players for buying items there for spending money on a game i am contemplating never looking back at, but i think i should just save this money for dark souls, a game that i will actually spend more than 0$ on, unlike PoE, which doesn't deserve it. Maybe next time <3 <3 <3 :D :D xoxoxoxo. Thanks for also telling me that i am a teenager who got his parent's permission to make this account :D :D :D, really nice people here on the forums, telling me about myself :D :D, such nice chaps :D :D xoxoxo! ooooh and i would also like to thank you for showing me that the current passive tree Successfully stops Everyone from using FOTMS, B2W Shops,Copying Builds from other people who currently post them, quitting the game due to dragginess, Exploiting inexperienced players, Creating huge gaps between the knowledge levels and the number of times that one will replay for someone who does research one the first day or someone who just wants to play the game . I HAVE LEARNT SO MUCH FROM YOU, THANK YOU !!! MY EYES ARE OPENED TO THIS PERFECT GAME THAT NEEDS NO CHANGES <3 !!! ALL HAIL GGG! <3 <3 XOXOXOXOOXXOOXOX!!!!!! pce |
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" There was one player that you replied to that never did download any special planner or even used poebuilder like so many other players do. And all that does is add up the numbers for you. It does not give you the most optimal route in a few clicks like you seem to think it does. There is not a single tool that I know of that will do that for you. Also you will not admit that you do not want to go through the same process that everyone else went through to get their builds. Which is trial and error and learning from other players. You want to get the same results as those that did the research and put forth the extra effort but without having to put in that extra effort because it is all there for you in the game. Making a system where you just cannot fail. There are thousands of players that have posted threads in the trading forums and those are quite active. So that means that those third party sites selling items are not getting as many players as you think. You also do not want to admit that you are wrong when told that your idea will mean that there will be no meaningful choices anymore. You will not have to think about every point you spend. Heck why bother to keep regret orbs or have refund points if we would get a once a week Johnny on the spot respect. You are just someone that is like a person that wants all of the things that those that have put in more time than he did but without putting in that time and effort. Like a WoW player that wants to be able to just jump right in an be able to raid without ever practicing any rotations or getting the right buffs, or even bother about learning the fights ahead of time. Look if you want to be able to make your own builds without that extra effort then just keep failing at making builds until you learn the basics of what makes a good build. Which if you played as much as you claimed to you should already know. Which means you should know how to make a good for fun build that will clear all difficulties and maybe even be able to do some maps. There is no big mystery here. Just using the things here at the official site and the wiki is all anyone needs in order to have a good build. Heck I am doing just fine with my witch build on ambush league. I have not encountered any problems that I could not overcome with a little strategy and effort. |
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