What this Passive-Reset Proves.

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yeah once again, don't compare games, staph.

You seem to have some warped idea that if you do anything

No game will tell you 'EVERYTHING', but it """"MUST"""" Tell you enough as to not make using third party tools A COMPLETE INEVITABLE NECESSITY ! Let's Forget about "all information", and focus on what it "DOES SHOW" right now while planning a passive tree(you know this is not gonna end nicely for you):



It shows the FLAT NUMERICAL changes like +10 int +10hp in your base stats, int,str,dex,mana,hp But needing you to LOCK any points you spend IF YOU WANNA SEE ANYTHING ELSE.



Now lets talk about what it doesn't show : EVERYTHING ELSE. For a company who boasts about their almighty Passive tree, They sure as hell Don't know how to make it informative enough.


another Reality check : You go to the third party softwares BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS HAVE FAILED AT PROVIDING YOU WITH A GOOD ENOUGH PASSIVE TREE HAHA, YOU DEFEND IT, AT THE SAME TIME IGNORING IT AND USING SOMETHING BETTER TO HELP YOURSELF. DEAL WITH IT. (Doing which you admit that the game has a crap tree, which is the sore reason why you alt-tab to another one.)


And don't bother using Diablo2, a game that released 14 years ago haha. GGG Copied their Map design that was over 15 years old and Haven't made a single visible change to it. The inventory is the same, no innovation put into it. I can probably come up with a better inventory option in 20 minutes than they have EVER managed to in the past 2, hahaha. Item rarities don't differ, Acts are laid out in the same way, Interface is pretty much the same, so are the Crappy drop rates and Terrible Roll odds, which are obviously made that way to keep you in the game. HAve fun.


But i do acknowledge this game as a Hidden Pay to Win now, thanks to you. You made me do research on the game, and the communities connected to the games, making me realise that it is such a huge chain of people so used to and dependent on online stores and online guides, that they can't even handle the possibility of becoming completely independent form all the other shit, but i GUESS GGG DOESNT WANT THAT, HAHAH.

The only thing that I have ever used is the passive tree on this site and poe builder that only shows totals because I am too lazy to add it up on my own. As far as skill gems goes I did use the wiki to learn which support gems to use for my new witch build. Outside of that nothing at all. And that does not give me an optimal build that will steamroll the content.

If I wanted to do that I would have to do the research and maybe the math (if I knew the math needed to make it work). NO one is actually a slave of those tools unless they make themselves such. Also all players in the game are not like you. They do not mind doing research and asking others for advice. They do not mind failing and re-rolling like you do.

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Yeah but i an never gonna have to re roll, Because this game FAILS AT DOING THAT. Because Either i'll just stop playing till another reset is made available, or jut spend 30 $ and get a full reset on the same character, and maybe throw in 10-15$ more to pick up a few uniques, OH BUT THIS MUST BE FAIR AND OK, SINCE IT IS ALLOWED RIGHT NOW , RIGHT? HAHA Try thinking for yourself.

I am certain that if you did such a thing and GGG knew about it you would be banned from PoE. Because I can assure you that it is against the rules.

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Restrictions: Under no circumstances, without the prior written approval of Grinding Gear Games, may you:

(a) Adapt, reproduce, store, distribute, print, display, publish or create derivative works from any part of the Website, Materials or Services other than in accordance with the Licence.

(b) Modify or adapt (including through third parties and third party tools) the game client or its data, other than in the normal course of POE gameplay as permitted in accordance with the Licence.

(c) Utilise any automated software or ‘bots’ in relation to your access or use of the Website, Materials or Services.

(d) Knowingly perform any actions that may cause the computers used to support the Website, Materials and Services (the “Servers”) to become overloaded or crash.

(e) Connect to the Servers through any software other than the authorised game client software.

(f) Use any data gathering and extraction tools or software to extract information from the Website or utilize framing techniques to enclose any of the contents of the Website.

(g) Use any meta tags or other hidden text which incorporate Grinding Gear Games’ name or any of its intellectual property including trade marks.

(h) Perform in-game services during your use of the Website, Materials or Services for any form of compensation outside of POE.

Notice H, it no doubt includes buying PoE items for real money. That is unless you have a letter that gives you permission to do so which I highly doubt you would get. The only thing you would get for doing that is getting hit with Mr. Banstick.

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Your Dear passive tree Doesn't do SHIT to Stop Copiers, Pay 2 win, Recipe abuse, 3rd party software abuse on people who are not told about said tools.

Get your fucking sense of morality and rational thinking right, you keep making these exceptions to your case, i hope this isn't the way you are in real life too.

Okay prove to me that GGG said that their passive skill tree would stop all of that. How can a one feature of a game stop all of that huh? When recipe abuse has nothing to do with a skill tree, or buying virtual items for real money.

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The thing is, people here say " you don't need all that info in the game, you can just get it from Forums and other sites. But I didn't join a hardcore arpg to Tab out and spend my time searching the inter webs on how to kill a boss or what a certain item really does haha or how to build. It should be possible in the game (and optional outside it IF THE PLAYER WANTS TO, dont make them NEED it).

You still have to prove that the above is absolutely necessary just to play the game and have fun. I can assure you it is not.

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There is a difference between
1: A person searching for stuff about the game simply because they wanna know more stuff about it
2: People going to search for stuff that they CAN NOT IN ANY WAY SEE IT IN THE GAME and need to find it or else they can be fucked by the same game.

How can one exist as an option if the information is there. And such information that it just is information overload. Where you are spending hundreds of hours trying to figure out how to spend the next skill point.

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wicca369 wrote:

If there was no mystery or challenge to the game, there would be no need for a community. No forums or heated debates because everything would be summed up on a billboard in the middle of town... I personally enjoy the fact that Poe requires us to test out ideas ourselves, with consequences.

When OP can actually see this and agree with it we will still have him replying like his idea is the greatest in the world. I am beginning to think he is nothing more than a troll and would wish he would crawl back under his rock.

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The fact that i can completely stop abusing if i so choose, should tell you that i can control myself well enough to have a "civilised" conversation with anyone who would be ready to First suspend their preconceptual beliefs about this game and then talk to me about it point to point. But on the internet everyone is right on their screen. Just because there's 50 or even 10000 of you, it does not make you any more right than 1 person saying the same thing.

I can guarantee you that there are so many people out there in the world that if you did what you just said. That you run the risk of someone getting so mad that they would kill you right on the spot regardless of whether they go to jail or not.

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I will happily stop, acknowledge and leave if someone capable enough of proving me wrong comes here, but i know that will not happen.

This line right here proves that you are not gonna listen to any valid proof. I do not care who steps in no one would be able to prove to you that your idea simply sucks. And that we have more than enough info to play the game just to have fun. For those that want more all they have to do is to go to the community. In fact you can learn some of that in the game. You can get answers to question in the game faster than you can here on the forums.

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How is RMAH any different? the basis is still the same => Pay money Get item/reset/anything else? Please Explain how they don't essentially do the same thing?
( that is not even the main thing. The fact is; People can buy anything, and GGG actively does NOTHING!)

Yes there is a big difference. Blizz put the RMAH into Diablo 3 and allows players to use it, at least till the 18th of this month. Where as the third party sites are illegal and will get your account banned. That is a huge difference in my book. One is legal the other is not and will get your account hit with Mr. Banstick.

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Which would actually help purge this community of posters who like to flaunt their build, and not just flaunt, but to let hundreds of people to actually copy that build and lose 100 Unique builds that those people would have made, HAD THE GAME GIVEN THEM A RATIONAL OPPORTUNITY!

Look that is what is part of being part of a community when you find a good build you will want to show it off. It is part of human nature when you find something new that you like. No doubt you will tell your friends or as in the case of a game will tell the community.

Also prove to me that everyone visits the forums. No only a small percentage of players ever visit the forums. The majority of players learn about the game by I don't know actually playing the game and asking others while they are in the game.

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unlike your boss, i do not think you need to believe in something. That is just something people tell themselves to stop feeling lost and purpose-less.

And i don't know if Science will solve all the problems, but at least it doesn't make promises of me finding heaven and being forgiven of everything bad that i have ever done if i just "confess" lol.

The very idea that people think of themselves as spiritual beings tells me that people just want to feel like it all means something haha, just because you think it does, does nothing to change it's reality, not 1 belief not a billion can change the ultimate truth.

You see, i DON'T NEED to believe in ANYTHING, because it will EXIST AND WILL NOT STOP EXISTING JUST BECAUSE I STOP BELIEVING.

And Neither will something become real, just because you believe in it, you see, REALITY IS FREE OF YOUR PERCEPTION OF IT.


And just like a pre-existing belief, you can't find it easy to suddenly stop seeing something the way you did.


Say you get cancer, and you think " oh yes god will save me, because i believe him and he exists." Will It be cured? JUST BECAUSE YOU FUCKING BELIEVE IN IT!!!!!! I wonder how many people died believing in that same god. Do you ever blame god for anything bad happening? or do you just thank him every time something good happens like every believer that i have seen.

There is a reality in this world, one that is free from any human "interference". But how will you see it if you already have a god as the answer to everything and all your problems, after life, existence, universe, why am i here = god god god god god. Ok all answered. now you can relax. Oh ok, i guess i'll just wait to go to heaven since someone told me i will because god loves me.

Again I told you that belief is not something that is solely tied to religion. When people in the world believed that the world was flat tell me what religion did they belong to that taught that? Or what religion would you belong to if you believe that science will one day fix all of our problems, yes some people do believe that?

Even ones that believe solely in evolution as how life got here are not directly tied to one of the known organized religions. Sure someone can believe something to the point it is like a religion to them. But it is not part of an organized religion that actually teaches such things. That is unless you will actually show me an organized religion of Evolution and show me their churches and their Bible which would no doubt be Darwin's books.

Look God does not cure everyone of his believers of all of their physical ails because then people would serve him only to get cured and live forever. Instead of serving him out of love as it should be. Why even the Apostle Paul had a thorn in the flesh that he entreated the Lord to remove because Satan was slapping him with it. But it was not removed because when Paul seemed weak that proved God to be powerful. God took that man from an staunch opposer of Christians to one that was willing to die for Christianity. In fact he suffered a lot for the sake of the Good News. Also he wrote 14 of the 27 books of the New Testament.

The only true God is not something like a genie in Aladdin's lamp that fulfills every wish when you pray. Sorry but it does not happen that way. Some prays go unanswered for all sorts of reasons. Just ask those that are Christians that know why and they will tell you.

Also let's say the ultimate truth is that God does exists but you do not believe it then God will not cease to exist because you choose not to believe in him or ignore those that do.

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DoomCarpace, Did you ever think of just for one second suspending all your beliefs about this game and see each aspect for what it is and what it does, Not just to you, but to everyone, even the people who just joined and know nothing about guides and shit, Do not let THE ONLY reason for justifying this storm of shit be your belief that It worked for you, so its gonna work for everyone else.

And have you ever contemplated what would happen to you if one Day, on your deathbed, you realise 'what if there is no god', 'what if everything i believed in and defend was for nothing', what would you do then? when you had your whole life to look for the answer, but you chose to accept the one that Everyone around you gave you. We humans so funny.

Even if I just joined I would know such things as the existence of guides and wikis. Heck I would dare say that even people that are new to online gaming would know of such things and if they do not they would learn about them quickly due to learning about them while playing the game.

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I cant quote all those posts now, i have a headache since 3 hours sitting here.

But IF "I am certain that if you did such a thing and GGG knew about it you would be banned from PoE. Because I can assure you that it is against the rules. "

Then this Means that the SHOP RUNS BECAUSE GGG WANTS IT TO RUN, WHICH MEANS THEY MAKE MONEY OFF IT. THEY ARE NOT STOPPIN THEM, even though it would mean that nobody could but an item for real money. which would take away one problem, but they let it be, i dont even know if bothering a company like ggg asking them to change their passive tree is even a sensible use of time, Since most of their decisions are swayed by the $$, and introducing my idea would harm their $$.



"I can guarantee you that there are so many people out there in the world that if you did what you just said. That you run the risk of someone getting so mad that they would kill you right on the spot regardless of whether they go to jail or not. "

DOesn't matter. It really is sad though, how some bigot who was taught the teaching of Allah or Jesus or anything, heard someone say something about their religion and stabbed someone to death. Well that's the fucking religion's problem.

And if someone comes at me, i am not just gonna sit there tell im to let me know when he's done killing me lol.

I can kill someone just as easily. There's nothing tough about running the knife through someone or shooting someone in the head. Nothing.

It's funny that an ignorant piece of shit in this world who never bothered to understand can kill a man just as easily as someone who knows everything about the world and has a thousand times better grasp of reality. (this is off topic)


"""This line right here proves that you are not gonna listen to any valid proof. I do not care who steps in no one would be able to prove to you that your idea simply sucks. And that we have more than enough info to play the game just to have fun. For those that want more all they have to do is to go to the community. In fact you can learn some of that in the game. You can get answers to question in the game faster than you can here on the forums."""


"""wicca369 wrote:::If there was no mystery or challenge to the game, there would be no need for a community. No forums or heated debates because everything would be summed up on a billboard in the middle of town... I personally enjoy the fact that Poe requires us to test out ideas ourselves, with consequences."""

"When OP can actually see this and agree with it we will still have him replying like his idea is the greatest in the world. I am beginning to think he is nothing more than a troll and would wish he would crawl back under his rock."

Lol, if i ask you about the bad things of the current passive tree, how many will you have, BEFORE you read this question? Not as many as you would after. Because you only look at the bright side, because that is all you want to see.

You see, this is not the first post, i have made a few, 2 on steam as well i think.

Your mentality holding people don't see others here and everywhere else because they are tunneled. There are many people who agree with me just as much as you oppose me which means they consider you wrong too. Now i am just being the voice for the people not here, lol. How did you for even a second, think that i was just mumbling bullshit on my own lol?? i don't know, some people just think like that and you can't help someone who doesn't wanna be helped.

And i never said "my" idea is the "greatest in the world", But hell, lol, I will Say it again : IT IS MUCH MUCH BETTER THAN GGG's IDEA !

And sorry that you thought i was a troll this whole time, lol. No wonder you had such preconceits towards me, pitiful, no wonder your opinion does not even sway. i didn't think that way of anyone here lol, i was just arguing about a fact, but you on the other hand seem to have been trying to defend some pride or some shit you have lol.

O god, me, a troll, oh sheesh, i spent so many days here, and now someone comes and tells me i am a troll, lol. Wow What kind of words do you need me to feed you so can say "oh look if i stop making assumptions, maybe this guy has some kind of point"? Oh wait, Maybe i should ask GGG, because they sure know how to sell crap to you, lol.


"You still have to prove that the above is absolutely necessary just to play the game and have fun. I can assure you it is not. "

haha yes it is, you are again just closing your mind to it.


This is fact : Someone who does not use the third party crap WILL suffer more than someone who does. And someone who Starts the game by first gathering all the needed information on the game, and finds the perfect build on the forums( Because all the people who posted their builds on the forums are not retards, are they?) and finds out where all he needs to farm and what gems to take, what currencies to not waste, how to join groups and what items to look for/ he can just buy the items on the VERY FIRST DAY OF JOINING (and all of this will take him maybe 3-4 hours if he really goes shit deep in research,hell, he can even just keep all the shit open as he plays haha) he can buy a FULL UNIQUE ARMOR SET. AND YOU KNOW HE CAN, STOP BEING SO IGNORANT, TIME AND OVER!!


*you*: i SEE NO ADVANTAGE!!!!!!(keeps using tools, recipe guides while so many new players have no idea what it is and suffer, but thinks its ok for them to suffer because he suffered, keeping the game from ever progressing)

"Yes there is a big difference. Blizz put the RMAH into Diablo 3 and allows players to use it, at least till the 18th of this month. Where as the third party sites are illegal and will get your account banned. That is a huge difference in my book. One is legal the other is not and will get your account hit with Mr. Banstick. "


ooooooooooooooooooohk, so Blizz only allows the auction house to be used for some days more and will BAN you(not just one character) for using other sites), but the SHOPS FOR POE ARE NOT BANNED, BUT ARE ACTUALLY ALLOWED BY GGG AND YOU CAN BUY WHATEVER YOU FUCKING WANT HOW MUCH EVER YOU WANT WHENEVER YOU WANT? COOL!

YOU JUST SUPPORTED MY ARGUMENT! THANKS!

"""Look that is what is part of being part of a community when you find a good build you will want to show it off. It is part of human nature when you find something new that you like. No doubt you will tell your friends or as in the case of a game will tell the community.

Also prove to me that everyone visits the forums. No only a small percentage of players ever visit the forums. The majority of players learn about the game by I don't know actually playing the game and asking others while they are in the game. """




Are you serious? Do you know what human nature means? a video game is not part of "human nature", and that attitude sure as fuck aint either. If you say it is human nature to "flaunt" something, then why dont i have the urge to do it? BECAUSE IS ISN'T HUMAN NATURE!.

Your theories are making me not want to even put effort into arguments now.

You are one of those people who think there is no other reality than the one you see and everything is as you believe it to be, missing just about everything real in the process.

There is something to improve oneself, it's called MODERATION*. So instead of fucking posting everything about your build for someone to rip and stick, WHICH YOU think is the Heart and soul of this whole forum, and there will be no forum without it, YOU ARE INCABALE OF VISUALISING AN ALTERNATE REALITY! L O L! ! ! ! ! ! They can just say

" OH DAWM I GOT THIS SICK FLAME TREE WHICH DOES HEAVY MAD DMG WITH INCINERATE AND ICENOVA, ANYONE WANNA GUESS WHAT I USED??? Can anyone predict what my build method consists of?(Posts Screenshot of spell animation) SAY" i think avatar of fire does really well for it, What else do you suggest that i should take which would be a nice addition, what are other people's experiences with their builds, Etc etc.


I JUST CREATED A MAN POSTING ABOUT HIS PERCEPTION OF HIS OWN CREATED SPELL COMBINATIONS TO THE PUBLIC WITH PICTURES ETC, BUT NOTHING THAT CAN JUST BE COPIED, ... hmm let me think like what could be copied hmmm... OH THATS RIGHT! THE FUCKING PASSIVE TREE SCREENS THAT EVERYONE IS HAVING SUCH A BONER OF SHOWING, LOL.
I MADE THIS GUY UP,COMPLETELY OUT OF THIN AIR AS I WROTE THIS AND YOU CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE A FORUM THAT DOESN'T HAVE BUILDS TO COPY EVERY WHERE!.

YO MR.BLINDGUY, DO YOU KNOW THE GAME, "WORLD OF WARCRAFT"?. THAT GAME HAS A FORUM, AND A VERY ACTIVE FORUM, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A SHIT PASSIVE TREE LIKE THIS EITHER, BECAUSE FORUMS DONT NEED TOXIC SHIT LIKE THAT!!... YOU SUDDENLY THINK THAT ITS NOT OK TO GET A SINGLE RESET A WEEK, BUT ITS OK TO BE ABLE TO BUY AS MANY RESETS AS YOU WANT WITH REAL MONEY. I am thinking of you as less and less smarter of a person as this goes on.



HAHA, let's think like you for a bit :"" Maybe you just want people to never stop posting builds and guides along with gear, maybe because you just like copying them, and maybe that is the reason why you are defending it this whole time, maybe you are really bad at making decisions and just want it easy for your own selfish self? MAYBE, you just throw money at the shop to get your items? I don't know, but i will just assume this all because i think i know this guy who's thought about this single thing for a month before posting it but let's go and troll him"

SO MANY PEOPLE HERE SUDDENLY THINK THAT ITS NOT OK TO GET A SINGLE RESET A WEEK, BUT ITS SOMEHOW OK TO BE ABLE TO BUY AS MANY RESETS AS YOU WANT WITH REAL MONEY.


HOW DO YOU HAVE SUCH WARPED LOGIC??? Anything to justify your own cause eh?