Bad loot - a response

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Yes, after 1000 hours in game trying to kill stuff, I do indeed feel entitled. That is not some first world modern generation sense of entitlement, I've spent 1000 hours ingame!

On the other side, trading trading trading will net you infinitely more than wastefully killing stuff. Many feel that this is wrong. Or at least that the ratio of what you gain by trading vs. killing is out of wack.

This the issue though, your playing a game based on RNG. What happens if you need a voltaxic rift and the game gives you 20 soul takers, 50 shavs and 100 kaom's heart? They are utterly worthless to you for your character if all you want is a voltaxic rift, which in turn you have to trade for one for the top tier item you get.

Trading is better then "wastefully" killing stuff, it turns stuff that is a "waste" or you can't use into something useful. That is why trading is better then just farming more, you need to balance both hand in hand.

Unless we are going to start using loot tables or drop "tokens" for people to trade in the type of gear they want, this always a prevalent annoyance to some people.

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rondanashu wrote:

So lame, so much lies in this thread. But even if you all are lying fanboys, truth does not change. Please link to some of the many complaints about not getting Soul Takers or Voltaxic in 3 days...

Most people whine about not getting top tier loot after playing 1000 hours, not 3 god damn days. And most of all, we whine about this game not being about killing stuff, but salesmanship. You are a bunch of shop owners, and then call yourself hardcore. That is just funny.

Again, search the forum, you will find them, I won't serve everything on a plate for you.

You are being able to kill stuff, you just need to lower your standards, you people think everyone should have full set of mirrored items and couple of legacy Kaoms and Soul Takers, because otherwise: "loot sucks, mind that I vendor good items that someone whines about not being able to drop or I just don't want to trade".

Of course I "own" a shop, it's the place I put decent items for sale, so I can sell that -useless garbage to me- and buy something I have a use from, a.k.a. an upgrade.

All of you whiners are either:

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highly-complexed players that think having a Soul Taker or Shavs is the right time to start killing things.

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players that vendor nice items or underprice their items at sale

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trade-refusing players who are shocked at the drop rate of the most rare items in the game, holy shit

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johnKeys wrote:

and trade gonna trade trade trade for your upgrades, because you won't drop any.
you must trade in a hardcore ARPG game!
it's elementary, since Path Of Exile created the Action Role Playing Game genre and defined the proper use of a Random Numbers Generator.

@OP, you drop these 350+ DPS 2-handers twice a week. I drop them once a year.
count the drop rate for a small sample of say 998 more players, and calculate a median.
this game hardcore enough for you? so why don't you TRADE yet?

I also bet you're an awesome mind-reader too, knowing exactly what Chris thinks about my ability to find upgrades for hammers.

BREAKING NEWS
Interview with Chris

Chris wants players to trade.

I'm not a mind reader, I just read/hear what people are saying, and it's mostly crap that comes from ignorance.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

And there are people who played less then 300 hours who have soul takers, voltaxic and multi top tier loot.

Since this game is based off of RNG and not socialism or communism where everyone gets equally rich at the same pace, yeah RNG sucks.

The problem with this issue is that people feel entitled to the top tier loot once they played over a certain amount of threshold.

Exactly. If you feel that you NEED soul taker, voltaxic, and shav's to enjoy the game then prepare to be disappointed.

I am enjoying playing the game without any crazy unique's. The best item I have are a pair of nicely rolled rainbowstrides which I found and immediately equipped. I use a 4l chest on a level 80, OMG NOOB! right? I am still having fun...

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Cribstaxx wrote:

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RagnarokChu wrote:

And there are people who played less then 300 hours who have soul takers, voltaxic and multi top tier loot.

Since this game is based off of RNG and not socialism or communism where everyone gets equally rich at the same pace, yeah RNG sucks.

The problem with this issue is that people feel entitled to the top tier loot once they played over a certain amount of threshold.

Exactly. If you feel that you NEED soul taker, voltaxic, and shav's to enjoy the game then prepare to be disappointed.

I am enjoying playing the game without any crazy unique's. The best item I have are a pair of nicely rolled rainbowstrides which I found and immediately equipped. I use a 4l chest on a level 80, OMG NOOB! right? I am still having fun...

Well that isn't really the entire story, the people (or a good number of them) who feel they NEED soul taker, voltaxic, or shav's for some reason also don't want to trade or play the game much at all ;v Or that is should magically plop in their hands after x amount of time other then working towards the goal of buying one with a chance that you might get one to drop for you on the journey.

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johnKeys wrote:

and trade gonna trade trade trade for your upgrades, because you won't drop any.
you must trade in a hardcore ARPG game!
it's elementary, since Path Of Exile created the Action Role Playing Game genre and defined the proper use of a Random Numbers Generator.

@OP, you drop these 350+ DPS 2-handers twice a week. I drop them once a year.
count the drop rate for a small sample of say 998 more players, and calculate a median.
now, add the relative percentage of players who actually got their good loot from killing serious badass shit, compared to those who did from a damn barrel, while bot-farming an area -10 their level.

this game hardcore enough for you? so why don't you TRADE yet?

I also bet you're an awesome mind-reader too, knowing exactly what Chris thinks about my ability to find upgrades for hammers.

I played a TON of Diablo 2, "the game that can do no wrong". I never found my own gear. I didn't trade any more than I do now, though I could have. I just kept more than what most PoE players keep. I kept all perfect gems, and traded them in groups of crafting recipes for gear. I bought an Enigma for 5 mules full of PAmmy's, Jewels and Runes, so they could craft Caster gear. It was commonplace, and nobody complained that trading was too much of an influence in D2.

I don't trade more or less in PoE than I did in D2. But I keep more blue items than most, vendor them away, and trade the Alterations up as high as the vendor will let me. I play maybe 3 hours per day, and spend more than 95% of that time playing and not trading. I've still got one character running maps, and two more right on the verge of being able to.

You absolutely can spend all your time trading, and amass a wealth of currency. You can also spend all your time playing, and risk not finding much. But you can also do a mixture of the two, and play the game as intended. People make it sound like one is only able to do one or the other. "If self-found doesn't get me all the gear I want, I might as well not play at all and sit on poe.xyz all day!" Ridiculous logic.

Also, if you want guaranteed gear to drop off of "badass shit," there are plenty of MMO's and single-player RPG's available for you.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

What happens if you need a voltaxic rift and the game gives you 20 soul takers, 50 shavs and 100 kaom's heart?

Well that's pretty easy to answer.

But in reality you get zero soul takers, Shavs & Kaoms, while you'd still want a Volt. The answer then becomes, you grind the vast chinese farmer steppe of boredom and climb the trading ladder one Merv kill at a time... to finally scrape together those X exalts you need.

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tinko92 wrote:

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rondanashu wrote:

So lame, so much lies in this thread. But even if you all are lying fanboys, truth does not change. Please link to some of the many complaints about not getting Soul Takers or Voltaxic in 3 days...

Most people whine about not getting top tier loot after playing 1000 hours, not 3 god damn days. And most of all, we whine about this game not being about killing stuff, but salesmanship. You are a bunch of shop owners, and then call yourself hardcore. That is just funny.

Again, search the forum, you will find them, I won't serve everything on a plate for you.

You are being able to kill stuff, you just need to lower your standards, you people think everyone should have full set of mirrored items and couple of legacy Kaoms and Soul Takers, because otherwise: "loot sucks, mind that I vendor good items that someone whines about not being able to drop or I just don't want to trade".

Of course I "own" a shop, it's the place I put decent items for sale, so I can sell that -useless garbage to me- and buy something I have a use from, a.k.a. an upgrade.

All of you whiners are either:

1.
highly-complexed players that think having a Soul Taker or Shavs is the right time to start killing things.

2.
players that vendor nice items or underprice their items at sale

3.
trade-refusing players who are shocked at the drop rate of the most rare items in the game, holy shit

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johnKeys wrote:

and trade gonna trade trade trade for your upgrades, because you won't drop any.
you must trade in a hardcore ARPG game!
it's elementary, since Path Of Exile created the Action Role Playing Game genre and defined the proper use of a Random Numbers Generator.

@OP, you drop these 350+ DPS 2-handers twice a week. I drop them once a year.
count the drop rate for a small sample of say 998 more players, and calculate a median.
this game hardcore enough for you? so why don't you TRADE yet?

I also bet you're an awesome mind-reader too, knowing exactly what Chris thinks about my ability to find upgrades for hammers.

BREAKING NEWS
Interview with Chris

Chris wants players to trade.

I'm not a mind reader, I just read/hear what people are saying, and it's mostly crap that comes from ignorance.

Mores lies, more putting words in whiner's mouth. I am a whiner who a) feels that killing stuff should be comparable to trading in wealth generation (lets say 1:100 in time spent), and b) 1000 hours should net you more than a lousy t-shirt.

Please stop this "want a Shav after 10 minutes playtime". Nobody says this and you know it.

But you are correct in that this is a traders game, and that the game is balanced around trading. That is the reason I stopped playing a good while ago. For some annoying reason I do really like this game though. That's why I stay around whining in forums hoping for change.

trading, gambling, economy - nice monster slaying game this one turned into..

if you traders are so good at it play with other same-minded traders/economy freaks. it is called stock market. you will not? why.. oh, because you are afraid that playing on the level field will not be so satisfying as scamming noobs 20fusings:1chaos or wtb your 8chances:1chaos? most savvy traders are so savvy in poe/d3 because they are the only ones who care about 'trading'. no competition, huge margins, eagles of wall street. and no risk involved.

traders, you make your fortunes on noobs and noobs alone. 'trading' is a polite word for that.

sadly this game is all about trading, gambling and economy with a bit of very fun and entertaining monster slaying mini-game. sad part that the proportions are 99%/1% not the other way around

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sidtherat wrote:

trading, gambling, economy - nice monster slaying game this one turned into..

if you traders are so good at it play with other same-minded traders/economy freaks. it is called stock market. you will not? why.. oh, because you are afraid that playing on the level field will not be so satisfying as scamming noobs 20fusings:1chaos or wtb your 8chances:1chaos? most savvy traders are so savvy in poe/d3 because they are the only ones who care about 'trading'. no competition, huge margins, eagles of wall street. and no risk involved.

traders, you make your fortunes on noobs and noobs alone. 'trading' is a polite word for that.

sadly this game is all about trading, gambling and economy with a bit of very fun and entertaining monster slaying mini-game. sad part that the proportions are 99%/1% not the other way around

Do you have a issue with richer players then you or something.


Almost everyone that trades just puts up items on a forum post and let people come to them and sell for 1-5 chaos. Sometimes they get lucky and sell a bigger ticket item and work their up to top tier items and some of them have them drop.

Also why would earning real life money be less important thing "scamming noobs" in a arpg.

i was under the belief that this was a looting game not a trading game. people dont want to play poe to go through the terrible hassle of trading, they want to kill monsters to get loot to equip their toons.