[Poll] Self Found League - SFL /FINISHED

GGG already stated that having a Self Found League would be very unlikely.
Why make polls? such a recycled topic.

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Mythicpoe wrote:

GGG already stated that having a Self Found League would be very unlikely.
Why make polls? such a recycled topic.

To show them enough support exists for them to impliment it.

Sorry that this thread is taking up space devoted to more worthwhile photoshop and botter threads (thanks for bumping it, tho)

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Mythicpoe wrote:

GGG already stated that having a Self Found League would be very unlikely.
Why make polls? such a recycled topic.

To be fair they did say something similar about looting options....

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tadl wrote:

Its not a troll.

I think you guys are trolling because we have already threads about it and I always read the same arguments over and over again. No one is forced to trade. You can find everything in this game so you do not have to trade.

This is the usual superficial remark of people who just don't understand the problematics. Not to repeat myself, just read second (edited) post in this thread, page 1.

In short SFL is not same thing like playing and not trading. This game is designed around trading and simple choice not to trade won't turn it into enjoyable SFL experience.

Further more this thread is not "trolling" or made for discussing (if you've read the OP you would know), it's mere indicator of interested percentage of people, because up to now all we had was indications. Now, although I did not count all votes yet, i may already say that we have surprisingly strong interest for SFL.

I really think GGG would be wise to read through this whole thread, because almost all of the major issues why people leave PoE after trying it out are pretty much laid out here.

I am also more than ever convinced that some of our more elitist hardcore players that cheese their way through the whole game by trading and grouping for progression should try and play PoE in an endgame environment solo self-found. I dare you! Maybe then you will see why so many of us want the crafting system to be reworked instead of it just being a hollow filler for trading currency. Maybe then you will see that this game stops being enjoyable at around the 70's mark because you cannot progress anymore without mass trading/grouping (paying for maps/spots in maps etc).

Most of you guys that come here and bash on us solo self-found players have no idea what it means to play this game solo without trading. You just assume. If I say I would like a crafting system that actually matters, with crafting mats that actually drop and that you actually use, why on earth would that be a bad thing? It would only be bad because then our heroic mass flippers and traders would see their profits dwindle and they would loose the reign over the market. Humpty dump! That is not an economy, its a farce.

People like me, that play "casually" (as in I have a life outside PoE), also want their time being rewarded. You because you guys are putting in 20x the amount of me in PoE should NOT mean that I cannot progress in the game. It should NOT mean that I am unable to have a chance at that epic drop just because - guess what - I am unable to run higher-end maps (and it only drops in there) because - you guessed it - I was unable to progress which in turn is directly related to the crafting system and the drops.


A solo self-found league would be amazing, but the more I write about it, the more I am convinced it will expose too many teeth grinding weaknesses of PoE for GGG to allow it.

+1 for selffound league.

No Trade Chat

No Global Chat

Increased crafting drops

Trading with guild members only via guild stash

Items/Orbs stay in League, no outside league interference (i.e. no dumping ground)

I cant see how this would be hard to implement at all and it would be fun, Solo people get to be solo, guild people can still party, and maybe crafting would actually be fun too do.

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iamstryker wrote:

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Morgoth2356 wrote:

1) I dont stereotype, if you read many of the posts here or in any other "we want a sfl" type posts, you'll find that for a lot of these guys, self found league comes with better drop rate (if not better everything else). Self found is supposed to be harder, not easier.

Its a stereotype to generalize everyone who is interested in a SFL. Of course SFL would have to come with a better drop rate. Without trading how the hell would anything ever get done? How would you get the skills for your build? How would you ever find decent uniques? How would you be able to craft with fusings and Chromes taking hundreds to get anything done and exalts dropping once every blue moon?

Once again, it will have to come with better drop rates because you want the game to be with the same difficulty level as the game with trading and grouping allowed. You need gems ? Just do an alt. You need a 5L ? Craft it, I do craft my 5L's all the time with self found currencies, as I dont want to trade my wealth for currencies that may be wasted. Yes, it takes time, several evenings of farming for alts to flip @ vendors for jewelers and fusings, getting those 20 fusings for a few hours of farming in an easy zone that maybe dont give you xp at all on the side, but that's what it takes when you play self found.

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GDL wrote:

I am also more than ever convinced that some of our more elitist hardcore players that cheese their way through the whole game by trading and grouping for progression should try and play PoE in an endgame environment solo self-found. I dare you!

(...) Most of you guys that come here and bash on us solo self-found players have no idea what it means to play this game solo without trading. You just assume.

Why do you assume that those players never play self found ? And once again, as someone recall here in this thread, in Open Beta a lot in people participated to the unofficial smash challenge during a one week race : solo, self found, only melee (at a time where melee was sucking really big time). A lot of them did pretty well and were doing maps after a few days. Yes, they couldn't have won that way, but it's harder to play self found, that's what it's supposed to be.

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GDL wrote:

People like me, that play "casually" (as in I have a life outside PoE), also want their time being rewarded. You because you guys are putting in 20x the amount of me in PoE should NOT mean that I cannot progress in the game. It should NOT mean that I am unable to have a chance at that epic drop just because - guess what - I am unable to run higher-end maps (and it only drops in there) because - you guessed it - I was unable to progress which in turn is directly related to the crafting system and the drops.

A lot of people that "have a life outside PoE" are doing pretty well in the game. I'm running higher-end maps from time to time, had a lvl89 witch in Onslaught and lvl87 ranger in Nemesis before they died, but I have a full-time job, I'm married, I see my friends on week-ends, how the hell is that possible ? And sorry, but I don't think I should get rewarded as someone like Etup that play super efficiently and 24/7 with a very good group, and do have those "epic drops" you're talking about. You're just not supposed to. This game is not WoW.

And once again, self-found =/= casual.

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Morgoth2356 wrote:

A lot of people that "have a life outside PoE" are doing pretty well in the game. I'm running higher-end maps from time to time, had a lvl89 witch in Onslaught and lvl87 ranger in Nemesis before they died, but I have a full-time job, I'm married, I see my friends on week-ends, how the hell is that possible ? And sorry, but I don't think I should get rewarded as someone like Etup that play super efficiently and 24/7 with a very good group, and do have those "epic drops" you're talking about. You're just not supposed to. This game is not WoW.

And once again, self-found =/= casual.

Same here, not married but full time job (45 hours a week) and loads of friends. I have 8 characters above lvl 65 and 2 above 80 all in hadcore leagues (1 in nemesis lvl84 doing 73+ maps). Also i actually have 115 points in season 5 and i achieve usually the first 100 positions in races (damn work, i can join 50% of events only unfortunately).

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And again, SFL != Casual League

You just want a league with no trading, but with the same advantages as trading? WTF, some1 also is suggrsting DOUBLING the passive points? Really?

D) No.

People can play SF if they want right now, I don't see where a separate league would do anything but further divide the player base and erode the online game experience.