[Poll] Self Found League - SFL /FINISHED

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Morgoth2356 wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

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Mahesys wrote:

You just want a league with no trading, but with the same advantages as trading? WTF Really?

I don't see whats so hard to understand about people wanting a league thats balanced for playing the game instead of trading.

I don't see what's so hard to understand about the fact that you can play the game without trading right now, it's just harder. But it's supposed to be harder.

It's not harder,it's tedious.

It's reward is lackluster.Some of these players leave town and progress before doing a round of forum shopping and out gearing content,the aquisition of gems/weapons/armor/flasks being at the mercy of RNG.

One of these players I know personally doesn't even share gear between characters on the grounds that if the build can't survive on it's own then the build is useless.


Risk verse reward is virtually non existent.Low risk play on the other hand is rewarded in buckets.

Most every activity in POE has a price to be paid before you can participate.

What I would like out of any league is a feeling of accomplishment that leaves me satisfied from the journey just as much as reaching the destination.currently none of the leagues provide that for me. (I don't speak for anyone else)


GGG has long chosen the vision for their game and I'm fine with that.I'm fine with being a casual in POE and hardcore in games with a more palatable reward system. =)

Still,I'll not vote for a self found league as I'd rather wait for the custom leagues release and see if a true hardcore experience can be fulfilled from that.


Cheers

Temper

one thing I don't understand is players saying "there is no need of a self found league". A dev can say that, sure... he knows technical issues, server space, etc... but a player?!?
I don't play hardcore, but I'll never ask to delete hardcore league/don't start any new hardcore ladder. If there are players that enjoy it, I'm really happy; it's just another way to play the game I like. What's the problem?
Another thing I don't understand: people saying "you can already play as self found so shut up and do it". Because I'd say to you "you can play hardcore even without a hardcore league: if you die you have to delete your char, and *bam* problem solved, you are playing hardcore in a normal league". But it's not a good idea, right? Do you understand what I mean?
Same here. I like a permanent league where trading is disabled. I like to play in this way.
Why this is a problem for you???

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di0nix wrote:

Another thing I don't understand: people saying "you can already play as self found so shut up and do it". Because I'd say to you "you can play hardcore even without a hardcore league: if you die you have to delete your char, and *bam* problem solved, you are playing hardcore in a normal league". But it's not a good idea, right? Do you understand what I mean?
Same here. I like a permanent league where trading is disabled. I like to play in this way.
Why this is a problem for you???

As I have already mentionned, I have nothing against a self found league in itself. The reason why I voted D (against SFL) is because most of people mix two things up : self found league, and easier game league (with more drop rates, easier crafting, more maps, more xp, even more passives as we can read in this thread).

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di0nix wrote:

Why this is a problem for you???

some people are just very, very smart
so smart, one wonders how come they aren't ruling Universe yet

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Morgoth2356 wrote:

As I have already mentionned, I have nothing against a self found league in itself. The reason why I voted D (against SFL) is because most of people mix two things up : self found league, and easier game league (with more drop rates, easier crafting, more maps, more xp, even more passives as we can read in this thread).

I don't like that, too. I don't want to play in a easier way, I want to play in a harder way! I will never play in a "easier-league"... but if people enjoy it, it's ok for me; just they don't have my vote for a similar league

(hardcore is harder, ok, but a death can occour, and it's silly for me to dump a char just for a death)

I would like to know why I self found player "should" be playing a harder game? Somebody who wants a self found league balanced for having no trading does not want an easier game than what we have now. It would only be easier compared to playing self found in the current game.

Also, the devs have stated before that they do not want easier leagues. If a new league is easier than playing standard (with trading) then I wouldn't support it and I don't think the devs ever would either.

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Mahesys wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

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Mahesys wrote:

You just want a league with no trading, but with the same advantages as trading? WTF Really?

I don't see whats so hard to understand about people wanting a league thats balanced for playing the game instead of trading.

Game is balanced around players that can properly play the game, not around trading. As the one before me posted, being self found only is absolutely possible, specially in Softcore leagues

There are already plenty of players who are only self found in hardcore leagues too. So game is NOT balanced around trading

Yes it's absolutely possible(I do it myself every new major update from an empty stash),but it's also most certainly not very satisfying/fun.

Even the god Kripparian himself after his very own SMASH race gave a clear and concise,don't try this at home folks speech. IE:it sucked (partly because it was melee only,although half the guys involved used ranged skills like ground slam. lol).

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iamstryker wrote:

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Mahesys wrote:

Ok then, prove me the game is solely balanced around trading with arguments. I just proved that game isn't balanced around trading, well, to be honest, all actual self found players are the living proof that th game isn't balanced around trading.

Go on, i'm curious

I feel ridiculous even responding to this but oh well. Lets just look at one example "exalted orbs", is the drop rate for exalted orbs balanced for an economy or for one self found player?

Completely IRRILEVANT. The last currency you need to succeed as self-found is the exalted orb. A self-found player prefers chaos-alch-regals 1000 times more since they can actually make an item usable and rolling a life-dual res item is very easy. Usually exalt worthy equipments are ALREADY usable, you're exalting them to make them "perfect".

You're pointing out a currency drop rate balance, we're talking about overall GAME balance; and you don't really need an exalt to finish the GAME

So your argument is invalid, i'm still waiting for a solid one that counters mine and all SF players.

Go on.

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Mahesys wrote:

Completely IRRILEVANT.

Its not irrelevant at all. Exlated orbs would be hella fun and powerful to use on gear. I would love to use them but unfortunately they are much more useful to TRADE. If you don't want to accept my fair question then we will just agree to disagree and be done with it.

Also, I still don't believe you proved anything earlier. Players can punish themselves all they want to by playing self found but that does not at all prove that the game was not created with an economy in mind. All it proves is that its possible and that some people like it.

You'll run out of Chaos/Alchs long before maps. lol (in fact you'll be poor on all currency)

Given the socketing/linking system has been tweaked a little to ease transition,but last I did solo self found/craft from empty stash and fresh character,at level 71 the build was still burdened by a few two/three sockets and one piece a three socket not even linked.

Wasn't from lack of trying to get gear.......


rolling a life dual res item is easy ....... indeed .... hitting jackpot is easy as well,just pull the lever ! =P

Actually I found a relevant thread from a little while back when some of us took on this challenge,although for me it was standard gameplay.

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/477696


As you'll see,the few who were interested enough to try to solo self found/craft in that thread basically just stopped being interested.You can see what gear I had at 57 (IIRC) and what currency was available to me at that stage of the game.

You'll also want to take note that that particular character was a no frills build,all it's gems were class specific rewards or common drops.The unique shield drop early was also what determined this characters skill tree,which was far different from planned.

Here is the same characters gear as of today at level 71.Not much different heh ?




He had zero currency and around three maps in stash