[Poll] Self Found League - SFL /FINISHED

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Morgoth2356 wrote:

1) I dont stereotype, if you read many of the posts here or in any other "we want a sfl" type posts, you'll find that for a lot of these guys, self found league comes with better drop rate (if not better everything else). Self found is supposed to be harder, not easier.

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majesw wrote:

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Ragnar119 wrote:

Normally the game is balanced around trading. I mean GGG said it, people that play it see it. You can get to maps without trading, but you will need to farm a lot more, a lot more compared to any other arpg.

In every game out there you can play without trading, korean mmos you can also play without paying $$$ for boost, items and other crap, but you will need to grind and farm for ton of time. The question is not can you do it without trading, but is it balanced good if you do not want to trade, and well it is not.

The way maps and 'crafting' is done is because of the trade and economy. You will see a lot of strange mechanics because of economy. They are all there for one reason, to make a currency sink, so the economy can be stable as much as possible. Random crafting, the way maps work and how they drop, are all done because GGG want them to be huge currency sink.


I mean if they fix problems, people would not want a self found league, but the self found league is there so it does not affect the normal league and people that would not like the changes for whatever reason. If they implement better crafting, better drop rates to make the progression better and less grind oriented in some parts of the game, better map progression than you would see less people wanting this, but the problem is, you will never see that in normal leagues, as GGG want to have a working economy, and if they would improve all the things it would mean it will hurt the economy of the game. And some people like to have a economy, and that is ok, and that is why we suggest a new separated league

It's a funny thing when you think about it. If you want to have a working economy in a game like this, you can not make self found play balanced.

So we need a self found league basically because of end-game maps? Let's say they took maps out of the game. Would that be fine? I personally think item-drop wise it would be. However, your points about the currency/crafting materials still stand...

I guess I just compare everything to Diablo 2... No one ever asked for a self found league because the had single player. But let's face it. You weren't ever getting any high runes from playing single player... So people hacked in order to experience the "full game".

Clearly in PoE we aren't meant to use or even drop all the currency... In a self found league how much would you want the rates improved? Would you want to find 4-5 exalts by level 70? I mean, there won't be any economy so how would you balance the currency or gear drop rates?

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Ragnar119 wrote:

Man, I never said we need self found league because only of maps. I said maps is one of the problems, not the only one.

If you want to compare it do diablo 2, i played that game only in single player for 6 years (well 90% of time) and i never found a high rune, but you know what? You did not need it to complete the game and to play end game there. The problem in PoE is to play end game and even higher dif you will need good items, for what you need to farm a lot. In diablo 2 to complete end game you did not need that type of items. Not only that, but in diablo 2 just by playing the game you will get around 10 and more unique and set items before even hell. In PoE if you get 2 unique items before last difficulty you are lucky. Also you can very easy and fast get a lot of good items in very short time with farming in d2 compared to PoE. The only best of the best items you need to farm a lot. So no, you did not need to hack for items to complete d2 and experience the "full game".

Now let make one thing clear, I am not talking about best of the best items and that they should drop easy.I am talking about items that you will need to progress in merciless and later for end game, that drop rates for that parts of the game should be better balanced. For that items you would need to farm a lot in PoE, that was not the case in daiblo 2, as the time investing to farm in d2 is much more rewording than in PoE.

To your crafting part of the post. The more harder thing they could do to improve it, as there is no more economy, is to make the crafting really crafting, and it means it needs to be more progression based and not be so much luck based, as there is no more need for a currency sink. But as it would need a lot of work just so it works in new league i think they should not do it.

The more easier thing they could do is to test it and see what is a good balance of drops so a single person has enough to use for crafting. How much it would need to drop i dont know, for that they would need to test and tweak it, and we as players can help there.


Also as I see some people say improve drop rates make the game "easier". The thing is, if you remove the trading in it, it makes the game "harder". But if you improve the drop rates, because you removed the trading, the game in difficulty will actually be same as it is now (if done right).

Also the reason I use "" with harder and easier is because, more time that you need to invest in farming and grinding same areas does not make this game or any other game with that mechanic harder, it makes it more time consuming and if done very bad even tedious.

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majesw wrote:

Sorry... I thought we determined that the drop rates in and around mapping needed to be changed. Guess I jumped ahead too much. Um... I find my farming very comparable to D2 farming in this game. I play for 2 hours and I drop about the same variety of stuff. Only very rarely do I hit on something big.

I understand that you want to keep things vague when changing the drop rates for a self found league. After all you and I don't have any data other than what we and our group of friends have seen drop.

Personally I've fallen in love with Descent Champions this racing season. It's definitely a self found league, and you actually get to use the higher level crafting materials. I wouldn't mind it at all if there were a week-long format or perhaps a month race like this.

However, after all these posts I'm still strongly against any permanent self found league.

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Ragnar119 wrote:

So generally, I must ask you this, what do you personally lose if they implement SF league in future? What is the negative side to it if it is a optional thing?