What Iron Reflexes should be

Isnt that what I did 1 post later?

On a different note: Insulting? How about you show me a quote. Finding it sad that you apparently need to be spoonfed isnt an insult, its an opinion.

Just because your skin seems to be thin as paper doesnt make it an insult.

I agree that IR is in a very weird place right now, especially since it can render dex almost useless beyond stat requirements for quite a few builds. However, just putting all the points into Accuracy would be strange. Evasion is typically representative of the Duelist, and while have substantial weapon prowess, it wouldn't mean that they would gladly be hit by any means.

Now, I propose that every 1% dodge granted by evasion is now 1% block chance instead (or perhaps another number for balance purposes). Now this fits in much better with the Duelist 'lore' and still provides a defensive node.

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nynyny wrote:

Isnt that what I did 1 post later?

And notice how I never argued against that statement?
Yeah. No reason for you to start attempting to insult me.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

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jsn006 wrote:

The problem is not IR, IR is fine, stop asking for nerfs and l2p

The problem is evasion, it still is garbage

Missing the point that grossly must be a talent you've honed over many years of intense not-reading.

brb fetching care cup

IR is a Keystone that is needed to make ES based characters viable in an Hardcore environment.

complete and utter stinky horse dung pile right here. On an ES character without any % nodes it gives like 1400 armor? wow big deal

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Xendran wrote:

Yeah. No reason for you to start attempting to insult me.

shall i fetch you a tissue? just ignore him lol

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jsn006 wrote:

complete and utter stinky horse dung pile right here. On an ES character without any % nodes it gives like 1400 armor? wow big deal

My friend has CI EK witch who has 10K of armor and 6K ES. Probably not big deal, yes...

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tmaciak wrote:

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jsn006 wrote:

complete and utter stinky horse dung pile right here. On an ES character without any % nodes it gives like 1400 armor? wow big deal

My friend has CI EK witch who has 10K of armor and 6K ES. Probably not big deal, yes...

I dont think you understand. (and that 10k is prolly after granite)

How much is specifically from IR that you cant get from normal armor? Grace and base evasion and level up evasion (3/lvl). Dex bonus doesnt even apply anymore. Thats like 1k-1500 armor or 2-3k with a 100% armor bonus, which most if not all es builds wont have. Thats all IR is giving that armor cant give.

And you can get hybrid armor / es gear, not necessarily evasion / es gear. They both end up giving the same amount of armor. There is nothing specific to IR about this part.

IR is better if you're on that side of the tree anyway, since there are more evasion+ nodes than armour+ nodes. (Especially given the new evasion+life nodes).

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jsn006 wrote:

I dont think you understand. (and that 10k is prolly after granite)

No, this is before granite. You just probably did not seen such items:



And you still can get much more eva with the same or even more es.

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jsn006 wrote:

How much is specifically from IR that you cant get from normal armor?

It so, that I can get ar/eva armor and make it armor without resorting to fu*** trading.

Those my best gloves I dropped personally:



And those are my best pure armor gloves (again, dropped personally):



IR converts garbage into something useful, because as you wrote, evasion is still garbage, especially after life nodes nerf. And I'm saying it from my experience - I have pure evasion character.

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tmaciak wrote:

No, this is before granite. You just probably did not seen such items:

And you still can get much more eva with the same or even more es.

FACE TO PALM NOW

yeah hybrid gear ... you can get armor / es gear too ... with higher values usually (armor over eva). This is NOT something IR gives more than armor, do you understand this concept? You dont NEED IR for that amount of armor. An armor / es chest has higher values of armor than eva / es chest

The only armor amount IR gives that you dont get elsewhere is grace and flat evasion from level up.

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tmaciak wrote:

It so, that I can get ar/eva armor and make it armor without resorting to fu*** trading.

Those my best gloves I dropped personally:

And those are my best pure armor gloves (again, dropped personally):

FACE TO PALM AGAIN

I was replying about it being needed on ES builds. You will not use armor / eva gloves on an es build, esp a hardcore one. Your point is massively flawed.

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tmaciak wrote:

IR converts garbage into something useful, because as you wrote, evasion is still garbage, especially after life nodes nerf. And I'm saying it from my experience - I have pure evasion character.

Let's take your premise at face value and assume that evasion really is garbage. Is that a justification for IR?

No, it certainly isn't. Evasion shouldn't be useful only to the extent that you can convert it to something else. I think that Iron Reflexes is actually very bad for beta testing because it encourages players to ignore problems with the defenses system that should be addressed.

Converting one defense to another is something which players can already easily do through simple itemization (unlike Eldritch Battery, which is a little more complicated). IR shouldn't exist.