What Iron Reflexes should be

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jsn006 wrote:

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tmaciak wrote:

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jsn006 wrote:

complete and utter stinky horse dung pile right here. On an ES character without any % nodes it gives like 1400 armor? wow big deal

My friend has CI EK witch who has 10K of armor and 6K ES. Probably not big deal, yes...

I dont think you understand. (and that 10k is prolly after granite)

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nynyny wrote:

Thats (22,953) with IR Grace in full ES gear and a Granite. I have 7000 without.

Not a single piece of hybrid gear in use. All pure ES.

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jsn006 wrote:

And there is nothing wrong with IR. You are not just converting one defense to another, you are completely removing the former defense. (Okay, 5% and 10% with ondars evasion is still fuck all) It would be sick if it were 50% conversion.

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Xendran wrote:

Iron Reflexes
Evading an attack grants 50% damage mitigation for two attacks rather than 100% damage avoidance for one attack.
Dexterity bonus no longer applies to evasion.
Evade is rolled before all other defenses. (Just in case it isn't already. This is very important as it's what keeps it in check, as well as makes it interesting when stacking it with block or dodge.)

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Xendran wrote:

Iron Reflexes
Evading an attack grants 50% damage mitigation for two attacks rather than 100% damage avoidance for one attack.
Dexterity bonus no longer applies to evasion.
Evade is rolled before all other defenses. (Just in case it isn't already. This is very important as it's what keeps it in check, as well as makes it interesting when stacking it with block or dodge.)

Evade isn't even rolled. Evasion entropy, remember?

Once you realize Entropy exists, this pretty much turns evasion into flat armour. So no. The whole problem with IR is its insistence on converting one defense to another.

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Xendran wrote:

Tweaked in a big way.


Iron Reflexes
Evading an attack grants 50% Less damage taken for two attacks rather than 100% damage avoidance for one attack.
All armour is removed.
Dexterity bonus no longer applies to evasion.
Damage mitigations from evasion will stack with eachother multiplicatively.
Entropy no longer applies to evasion.

This means that with consequtive evades you'll be taking 25% instead of 0% like a regular evade, or 50% like a first mitigation, but the important part comes when you fail an evade: Your previous evade is still in effect, meaning you're gonna get hit for a 50% before you ever get hit for a 100%. This means you can always predict when a oneshot is going to come.

You'll take more damage overall, but less damage at once. This is another reason entropy should be removed, entropy would make it too predictable as to when you're going to lose an evade, and it makes it so that past certain evade numbers you never fail two evades in a row, meaning you never see that 100% damage.


Example:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Also: Life Gain on Hit is likely better than Life Leech in that setup. I'm serious.

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mean, aren't you getting something like 15-20 APS?