Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.
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Jackel6672 wrote:
A majority of the D3 players played D2. Your point is moot.
That may be true, but how many D2 players are still playing D3 today?
And GGG will get many players soloing (like me) that doesnt like their loot being stolen (like me) and that will feel annoyed (like me) when they play a ranged class (like i do alot) and not reaching loot in time and dying to boss adds/summons when they scramble to pick up loot (like i would do in a Pub Team).
Im not alone on this issue, and pretty much the issue is further reinforced because of D2 and how players percieved looting there.
One can argue in circles all day but when it comes down to facts, the result is this:
*loot drops*
*everybody in a pub party dives in on the loot when enemies is alive, while spamming the left mouse button hoping to reach the loot in time*.
Big misconception here. It is not your loot until it is in your inventory. When loot has your name on it you have the privilege to pick it up first if you are fast enough, nothing more.
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Xaxyx wrote:
Big misconception here. If I'm playing by myself, and an item falls onto the ground, it's mine. I can pick it up, drop it again, run circles around it, drive down to the drug store and back, and look, it's still my loot. It's never, ever yours. Never.
So what's being asked here is: if we extend that model to wherein EACH player has HIS loot fall to the ground SOLELY for him -- JUST LIKE WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW IN A SOLO GAME (just like we can do right now in a solo game [right now!]) -- but in a group setting, how many baby Jesus rabbits will die?
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dust7 wrote:
I can proof that it's not your loot until it is in your inventory when you play in a party: because someone else can pick it up.
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Xaxyx wrote:
How nice for you. Now, are you going to answer my question, or admit that you can't?
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dust7 wrote:
The one about the baby jesuses? Three fifty, probably.
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Xaxyx wrote:
I'll interpret that as "I can't answer your question." So noted.
Still crickets from the rest of the REDS. Any takers? They do say that bullies are cowards at heart. Come on. Prove me wrong. I dare you.
I'm sorry, I can't find any question to which the answer would be relevant to Planetsurvival's statement, my comment on it, or the (dis)proval of either in the post which you pointed out to me. Please restate what question you mean and I will try to answer it.
Disregard witches, aquire currency.
Last edited by dust7#2748 on Jan 10, 2013, 12:27:27 AM
A majority of the D3 players played D2. Your point is moot.
A majority of D2 players moved on to D3. What is the point?
Seriously? I would bet money most of those players played D2 longer then D3. Your last point was that they are most likely more used to instanced, which is wrong.
What Planetfall said. People grow, people change. What was good then isn't necessarily good now. Different expectations have been set. People tasted the forbidden fruit of instanced loot and can't go back now that they know such things are possible.
A majority of the D3 players played D2. Your point is moot.
That may be true, but how many D2 players are still playing D3 today?
And GGG will get many players soloing (like me) that doesnt like their loot being stolen (like me) and that will feel annoyed (like me) when they play a ranged class (like i do alot) and not reaching loot in time and dying to boss adds/summons when they scramble to pick up loot (like i would do in a Pub Team).
Im not alone on this issue, and pretty much the issue is further reinforced because of D2 and how players percieved looting there.
One can argue in circles all day but when it comes down to facts, the result is this:
*loot drops*
*everybody in a pub party dives in on the loot when enemies is alive, while spamming the left mouse button hoping to reach the loot in time*.
The proper question is: How many of those players that played D2, moved to D3, are waiting for a game like this, that is like D2? A lot. With proper advertising and word of mouth this game will be huge. If you don't want to support the devs image, that's fine. You can enjoy playing solo and become bored as you say you will.
I have to ask, based on your wording, have you played a pub game? Or are you just going by what others are saying?
"Whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're right!" Henry Ford
I'm sorry, I can't find any question to which the answer would be relevant to Planetsurvival's statement, my comment on it, or the (dis)proval of either in the post which you pointed out to me. Please restate what question you mean and I will try to answer it.
Here i think, is the post you wanted:
Spoiler
Here's another thought for your consideration, would-be defenders of tense, cut-throat douchebaggery. First, I'll arbitrarily invent wholly nonsensical categories, and just as arbitrarily lump large groups of people into these categories:
Let GREENS be players who prefer an environment of fairly distributed loot, wherein the system itself allocates said loot, thus preventing any sort of intra-party drama and struggle over loot allocation.
Let REDS be players who receive a deep, vast, nipple-tingling thrill at the idea of players in a "party" all fawning and clawing over every single piece of gear that hits the ground in a carnivorous fray of greed and drool.
Let's also arbitrarily posit that all GREEN players of this game are disgusted at the idea of ever finding themselves in a party with a RED. Thus, all GREENS can and will simply play solo games to avoid any such circumstance.
However, GREENS would in fact adventure in groups if they could be guaranteed that they would never find themselves in a RED situation -- such as allowing them the option of creating GREEN-ruleset games, or creating and/or joining a GREEN-ruleset league.
Given all of this arbitrariness, I posit a question to you, you fine, upstanding REDS of PoE:
WHAT in the HELL would you CARE?! How would YOUR play experience be detracted in the slightest if we GREENS could all scurry off and hide in our own, GREEN-only games, as opposed to what we do now, which is to scurry off and hide in our own, solo games?
Last edited by Planetsurvival#1516 on Jan 10, 2013, 12:34:28 AM
A majority of the D3 players played D2. Your point is moot.
That may be true, but how many D2 players are still playing D3 today?
And GGG will get many players soloing (like me) that doesnt like their loot being stolen (like me) and that will feel annoyed (like me) when they play a ranged class (like i do alot) and not reaching loot in time and dying to boss adds/summons when they scramble to pick up loot (like i would do in a Pub Team).
Im not alone on this issue, and pretty much the issue is further reinforced because of D2 and how players percieved looting there.
One can argue in circles all day but when it comes down to facts, the result is this:
*loot drops*
*everybody in a pub party dives in on the loot when enemies is alive, while spamming the left mouse button hoping to reach the loot in time*.
The proper question is: How many of those players that played D2, moved to D3, are waiting for a game like this, that is like D2? A lot. With proper advertising and word of mouth this game will be huge. If you don't want to support the devs image, that's fine. You can enjoy playing solo and become bored as you say you will.
I have to ask, based on your wording, have you played a pub game? Or are you just going by what others are saying?
Actually i played with a friend, and by the end of the area if i recall correctly, he got very little loot due to me being melee (Duelist) and him being caster.
If it was a pub, the issues would have been even worse as i gave my friend some gear i looted when we headed to town i think.
