Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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Planetsurvival wrote:

To put it simply: If they dont get an option to play the game without FFA loot, they will solo it.
And if they solo it they will get bored.
If they get bored they quit.

Or, they will learn to like it. Just because you have always had Instanced, does not mean that you cannot learn to enjoy a new way of looting/playing.

And that wasn't a slippery slope. If it was, I would've been saying if GGG "caves" on this one, than what's next (IIRC).

I was merely providing another example to show that people will leave for various reasons if (insert game issue) isn't "fixed".

I don't mind talking about the slippery slope argument. Its a good argument to bring up because we of course don't want the devs changing every little thing that people complain about. However....

1) This is by far the biggest issue in the game. No other issue has so many people bringing it up every week, especially early feedback from new players. I expect even more after the 23rd.

2) There are solutions to this issue that will arguably have little impact on the game as a whole. Compared to playing single player (which the game is supposedly designed around) it will have absolutely NO impact.

3) The other issues have far more reaching consequences for everyone (including single player). Full respecs change a big part of the game as a whole. I don't think that another option to the looting system is anything like that.

4) The devs appear to be pretty level headed. I am still shocked that they get this kind of feedback and have the iron will to ignore it until they feel like saying something. I have no worries that they have the ability to keep the game how they want to have it.

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I may have missed part of this discussion but being a D2 player does not mean that your an FFAer. I liked D2 a lot but I never liked its FFA loot system. I don't think D2's popularity had ANYTHING to do with it being FFA.

Its true that playing D2 didn't make you a FFA'er, but it did make it so you were used to the concept of it.

Most who started with D2 were new to the system and adapted, others were from D1. D2's system was child's play party wise compared to D1.

They implemented the timer because of this, its just a couple seconds short. There needs to be risks and rewards for not always getting your own loot or trying to get someone else's. Getting kicked from a party for going against the parties wishes being one of them.

The ability to kick people from parties, which is akin to kicking them from instances is a huge boon this game has.

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Jackel6672 wrote:

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I may have missed part of this discussion but being a D2 player does not mean that your an FFAer. I liked D2 a lot but I never liked its FFA loot system. I don't think D2's popularity had ANYTHING to do with it being FFA.

Its true that playing D2 didn't make you a FFA'er, but it did make it so you were used to the concept of it.

Most who started with D2 were new to the system and adapted, others were from D1. D2's system was child's play party wise compared to D1.

They implemented the timer because of this, its just a couple seconds short. There needs to be risks and rewards for not always getting your own loot or trying to get someone else's. Getting kicked from a party for going against the parties wishes being one of them.

The ability to kick people from parties, which is akin to kicking them from instances is a huge boon this game has.

Lucky for me the microtransaction shop will allow me to create my own league with Non-FFA loot maybe.
Or i know i can pay to join a Non-FFA league.

All thanks to GGGs microtransaction shop!

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iamstryker wrote:

Full respecs change a big part of the game as a whole. I don't think that another option to the looting system is anything like that.

See, I guess this is where we "diverge".

The loot mechanics in an ARPG. Is in fact a big (HUGE) part of the game.

Planet:

Yes, yes. We all know about the Special Paid Leagues.

Here's what I, and many others, see this being. Create your own "Short-term" league/race.

Be it an hour->awhile. No one is sure how this will actually work AT ALL. Many are intrigued by it though.

To support it indefinitely for an instanced/999 timer, you would be constantly paying GGG until a payment isn't received and it's wiped. (or you wish to reset the ladder yourselves).

EDIT:

BTW, this is the consequence- You've got to pay them.

And I have no problem with this whatsoever, as it's not an actual part of the game.

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Planetsurvival wrote:

As i typed in a previous post and ill clarify:


What can I Spend Points on?
As a test of our microtransaction system, we’re initially offering two small purchases:

Extra Stash Tab (30 Points): Your quota of stash tabs is increased in all leagues. The number of stash tabs is not reset when we enter Open Beta.
Extra Character Slot (30 Points)


At Open Beta, we will have a range of different microtransactions for sale, including many of the following:

Public stash tabs (viewable to other players for trade purposes)
Cosmetic pets
Alternate skill effects
Special animations (for example, taunts or PvP victory animations)
Special paid leagues (with custom game rules)
Guild storage
Alternate item skins and visual effects
Special cosmetic item properties such as “extra gore”
Item dyes

(this is from the PoE website, copy pasted)

That's buying a league, which is different then having one there as default. If you go that route for it, have fun. As long as the core game isn't changed.

Edit: I forgot about that. If its a short time league, it might hinder your plan.

All these arguments seem to say the same thing. Plus, I have a bro now. Back to playing.

I started on Diablo 1. I can't say that I liked FFA then either. It just didn't matter as much since there wasn't much ultra rare stuff in the game. Currency was cheap, uniques were plentiful, and I could teleport anywhere in the blink of an eye.

I never got used to FFA. I played Diablo 2 years ago and when I think about it the clearest memmory I have of the game was when my "buddy" who I was partying with snatched up a very rare axe before I could even see it which really annoyed me at the time. I remember deciding to play more solo after that.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

Full respecs change a big part of the game as a whole. I don't think that another option to the looting system is anything like that.

See, I guess this is where we "diverge".

The loot mechanics in an ARPG. Is in fact a big (HUGE) part of the game.

I disagree for multiple reasons here are two of them.

1) It wouldn't effect single player at all.

2) Single player is what this game was apparently built for.


Definitely not as impactful as full respecs. Full respecs effect PVE and PVP people.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

Full respecs change a big part of the game as a whole. I don't think that another option to the looting system is anything like that.

See, I guess this is where we "diverge".

The loot mechanics in an ARPG. Is in fact a big (HUGE) part of the game.

Planet:

Yes, yes. We all know about the Special Paid Leagues.

Here's what I, and many others, see this being. Create your own "Short-term" league/race.

Be it an hour->awhile. No one is sure how this will actually work AT ALL. Many are intrigued by it though.

To support it indefinitely for an instanced/999 timer, you would be constantly paying GGG until a payment isn't received and it's wiped. (or you wish to reset the ladder yourselves).

Great, so lets assume someone with the leadership can raise funding through kickstarter or such things.
Then i dont have to Group in a FFA League. :)
(though with how the thread moves on and pms ive sent/received im hoping GGG will make such a league being able to be permanent by paying enough.)

Stryker, basing your disagreement on solo, than bringing up PvE (which would.be solo) and PvP which isn't.

Doesn't work.

Planetside: .doubt they will EVER do permanent leagues. Unless of course it would be impossible to win a race, than have said winning item, like a demigod go there.

The price would be astronomical as GGG said they.plan on a 10 year game cycle.

But by all means, if they allow it, go for it. As this is not changing default (the actual game) in any way.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Stryker, basing your disagreement on solo, than bringing up PvE (which would.be solo) and PvP which isn't.

Doesn't work.

Planetside: .doubt they will EVER do permanent leagues. Unless of course it would be impossible to win a race, than have said winning item, like a demigod go there.

The price would be astronomical as GGG said they.plan on a 10 year game cycle.

But by all means, if they allow it, go for it. As this is not changing default (the actual game) in any way.

Like a wise person once said: "Everything has a price"
:)
I sent a PM to Chris though so hopefully ill have an answer and the contacts i have and chris can work something out!