So how much can Monkey King Bar hurt? [theorycrafting]

Hey, what do you think of this version? It focuses on a very high attack speed (more than 3 APS after calculation) and ele dmg.

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgIBAMwBvAHnA9sEsw-rFCAUTRUgFr8YXRjbGS4Z1xpVG8ghYCSLJ-0pTypNLOkyCTKJNj026DqzOtg8BT0PQKBDMUPSSi5KfU4qUEdTNVYtVvpXDVfiW69eE2EhYeJjp2SjZ6Bqk21scql07XTxdud35XjrfLt82X31gpuDOITvhymHdofbiGuQCpuNm7WeuZ7Nn9-iAKcwp6WpaKx_rKqv67VItkG5Q76nwA_DOsQVxPbKSs6o0iHSTdN-1e3ZYdyC3Q3dRt9v5wrndOw4707veu9883Hz3fxO_MU=

http://www.exilepro.com/build-summary

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Falcord wrote:

Then better stock on them, here's Mark's comment asserting that Physical Damage is going to change and start stacking like this build requires.

Ah thx for the link, but since we talk about a 150% increase for facebreaker builds and 200-500% increase of damage for this staff, u can be pretty sure they will scale back those uniques to exactly the values we had before :p

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AndyPandy22 wrote:

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Falcord wrote:

Then better stock on them, here's Mark's comment asserting that Physical Damage is going to change and start stacking like this build requires.

Ah thx for the link, but since we talk about a 150% increase for facebreaker builds and 200-500% increase of damage for this staff, u can be pretty sure they will scale back those uniques to exactly the values we had before :p

Not really, that would be a terrible job. They've released the Pillar after they made the decision to change the scaling. They clearly knew the change in scaling was coming and designed the Pillar accordingly. It would be kind of a dick move otherwise.

I don't know, I'm going to bet on it. At any rate, these changes will be great for melee physical damage builds so I welcome them with open arms!

bad math :)

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AndyPandy22 wrote:

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Falcord wrote:

Not really, that would be a terrible job. They've released the Pillar after they made the decision to change the scaling. They clearly knew the change in scaling was coming and designed the Pillar accordingly. It would be kind of a dick move otherwise.

I don't know, I'm going to bet on it. At any rate, these changes will be great for melee physical damage builds so I welcome them with open arms!

hehe did u actually do the math? I did put those values in my spreadsheet and i'm now 100% sure that this wont happen at all, without a change.

We talk about 614-1043 base damage at 700 str, not even considering atk speed at all. This is twice the damage of a mahoi and even if u build for defensive getting 300-500 str is doable, which is still a lot better than a mahoi, while being able to block!

At 700 str i could build a 50k AE DPS toon if they wont change this staff, after the melee "fix" :p

It's not that overpowered. I don't see how you make that leap to 50k AE DPS. The damage you get on this staff would not be the same as the base in a Marohi. Remember that all "increased" bonuses from skills and such are additive to the Staff bonus, so stuff like +60% from a skill would only mean 100 or so more damage, compared to the 300ish of a Marohi. I don't think it would be crazily overpowered, just... Different, a just competitor, and obtained through certain sacrifice (building for str).

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Falcord wrote:

It's not that overpowered. I don't see how you make that leap to 50k AE DPS.

Sorry my bad, that happens if u "swiftly" try to enter some values in a spreadsheet that was not verified. I had some errors while trying to add the item "fix". The new numbers look pretty similar to a mahoi build. U would actually go for more attack speed, instead of melee increase nodes.
I would still prefer a 400-500 str Staff build over a mahio, since u get 20-30% block, with just a few nodes.
This is still unbalanced since, those staffs would be pretty easy to find, compared to a mahoi, while outperforming it.

bye Andy

Anyone got one yet to test if item phsy dmg is added

I find it interesting that none of you went more into the int part of the staff... Sweep works best with slow weapons (so attack speed seems secondary for that skill (i think it does affect sweep, but it'll always slow down fast weapons)) and it covers a great area, so going intelligence and strenght heavy with this staff might be an interesting choise to make a GREAT sweep.

Or even better - getting that much increased AOE radius that even the negative effect of Concentrated effect won't be to harsh:
Link 1
32% + 9% from the intelligence, so we have 41% or with concentrated AOE still 11%, BUT around 60% MORE area damage ;) Add melee physical damage and you can get easily an over 100% more (up to 118%) melee physical damage modifier for a 3 linked (and still have an increased AOE radius)!!
(the build still has 450 str, should have enough int to not need BM (which IMHO further increases survivability and makes it easier to run % based auras - hatred would give a HUGE damage buff))
Actually seeing how well Hatred and added fire damage runs with physical damage it might even prove usefull to get the 50% increased weapon ele damage from the templar (which will get affected by concentrated effect as well) - and we are still talking about a 4 linked only ;)

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EDIT: after playing with the more aoe size based char idea a bit more i came with another interesting idea:
(somewhat different than the above suggestion (even more radius based), but could still work and would totally shine with a 5L)
Link 2
-Every increased aoe radius node in the tree if i'm not mistaken
-420 int = additional 21% increased AOE (all together 73% increased AOE radius)
-Can utilise melee damage on full life, melee physical damage and concentrated effect (in case of a 5L i would add added fire) - so possibly getting over 160% more physical attack damage (of which a part (lets say around 60% from concentrated) also affects ele damage)
-Still 374 str (and thus a CI character who doesn't need to fear stuns ;))

Basically my first idea has more str (and possibly better survivability), but can't use melee damage on full life, while the second has a HUGE radius (even after concentrated) and the full life gem, but not so much str...

EDIT2: both take RT, because there isn't much space for dex ;)
EDIT3: (yes i like to edit posts ;)) of course given Hatred and added fire damage the weapon ele damage gem can be put to some use as well if there is still space for it

I thought a bit more about my last idae and found a way to make it more efficient by starting with the templar: Link
Same int as the witch in my previous post, but 10 more str and a bit better ele damage, and no node "wasted" (the witch had some minor life nodes and 1 spell damage node)

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQAmSunn5-jAdykGeLqvoob-odqYSF4DSXfhO8LYVivhNl07XloNuhlTW5peu_BBDpShylHfr6nYEtVtdw937-rxQUtns0hVUCg0iEx--9OIWBXDZtYf-MyCXTx2WEY2565GS5bryft1I_dDcT289253TqzkAr8xcQVPQ_yL-8OZ6BKLiSLffXnUod2uUN8u1RJSn2npfNxOtjFil8_TdjsOPAf9kiMdho4BLOiAIzPp4QUTQJxUFCQValoWGPAGhhdxthmnvrSNukkquNqGYUabJ2upwja3RVQj0a4k9DQDH3PZRB_VcbGnhZvpzAUIFBH


I like this build

Might use my default char i dont touch to make it incase i come across a cheap king bar on default (I play hc but ya)

lol relized my old maurader who died got a full respect