What's wrong with deterministic crafting?
"Game will never be balanced around SSF so why are you complaining about putting yourself through torture ? SSF is only for people who understand efficiency with good game knowledge. Its there for "extra challenge" not so you can complain about not getting what you want because you decided to pick the league the game isnt based around LOL Fuck they should just remove SSF tired of hearing this kind of shit. Harvest sucks! But look at my decked out gear two weeks in!
Labyrinth salt farm miner. "But my build diversity" , "Game is too hard!" - Meta drone playing the same 1-3 builds for years. |
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" Your post summarizes why I'll be skipping the league. I don't want to trade. Trading sucks. Has always sucked and doesn't suck any less because you wish us to trade. I was perfectly happy just playing on SSF. The trouble is with the crafting options as-is, SSF isn't really functional outside of grinding yellow maps for weeks aka a Quin69 leveling stream. It exposes a fundamental problem with crafting that you don't see if you're just buying your currency in trade league. Last edited by Izrakhan#0832 on Jul 12, 2021, 5:53:30 PM
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" Actually Orbaal, I will counter offer to prove the same point in reverse. Keep Harvest the same, because its fun, and adjust the game to make it harder. That would refute your point of people just wanting everything easy. And lets not pretend game adjustments are that hard as they recently did this. You get what you want, no overall power creep, and Harvest crafters (who didnt want e-z-game) get Harvest. You support that? |
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" Ehh If you had fun but felt gated by your weapon Izrakhan i'd give it another go, from the sounds of your process you just got screwed by rng which by the nature of it averages out over time. SSF is all about knowledge then you can craft fairly reliably, some players have skewed values by excessive playtime which always normalises the results but its perfectly normal to get poor streaks. It can ruin your league but usually its a sign that you don't know enough or had unrealistic objectives. In the case of phys weapons its just spam phys reroll harvests, jagged fossils and essences of contempt - so basically farm haewark. Its probably the easiest class of weapon to get a good one of eventually as well. Last edited by Draegnarrr#2823 on Jul 12, 2021, 6:05:11 PM
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" I follow. I just don't want to do it. If you do have a bad streak like that you'll be in the hamlet for a lot longer than a few days. Mostly because pre-red maps Harvest options are terrible now and ilvl 76 weapons are not going to produce amazing rolls most of the time. I said earlier I think in one of these threads I don't want Harvest to be the go-to. I'd rather just get better stuff off the ground. Like an affix that guarantees a phys roll to replace it on crafting. Or a bench option to add two affixes on a big price tag. Those kind of changes are good for the game IMO. |
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"If it takes you weeks to progress SSF in yellow maps chances are you arent anywhere near as good or knowledgeable at the game as you think you are. You can literally break into red maps on a shitty scuff totem build and plenty of other extremely low budget builds that dont require any sort of specialized or rare unique pieces to function, easily, within a week. If youre any sort of efficient at this game it shouldnt even take you a day to get to maps even in SSF. Another great example of someone looking to a streamer who doesnt know what the fuck theyre doing and claiming "well this is how the game works!". Thats not how the game works. This doesnt "expose" anything, it shows how one person who doesnt know what their doing influences a others into a hive mind mentality of thinking they know what theyre talking about. This is a loot based RPG, with crafting. Not a crafting based RPG with loot. Though Harvest pretty much puts it there with making literally everything else that isnt harvest irrelevant. I want to kill monsters, fight bosses and get loot. You know what i did virtually all league ? Fucking farmed plants. Wow, soo fun and exciting. Totally not destructive to the game at all for your players to not even be playing 99% of the games content. Harvest sucks! But look at my decked out gear two weeks in! Labyrinth salt farm miner. "But my build diversity" , "Game is too hard!" - Meta drone playing the same 1-3 builds for years. Last edited by Tin_Foil_Hat#0111 on Jul 12, 2021, 6:19:27 PM
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" I don't want to play your totem starter build. Why do you keep suggesting I game the game the way you want to? That's not strategy that's just exploiting a broken game system. I know of course that builds like FP totems exist. I don't want to play them right now. I also said I don't want Harvest. I'd much rather have better loot drop from mobs. I also don't want to farm plants. Ritual and Ultimatum of course didn't give me anything I needed either. That's another problem. The game rewards no lifers. |
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"The fuck do you mean its not a strategy lmfao ? Most people who play this game level up as something and farm maps as something in order to make the build that actually want. No ones saying you have to play our way, we are saying stop making suggestions because youre a masochist and feel entitled to playing a certain way in which the game isnt actually supposed to be played. In what world does someone go... "Mmm yeah im gonna play a 300ex COC build as my started build" ? Literally no one. They make the swap when they have sufficient currency and gear for it. You try that and you literally just die over and over again and dont progress. So the real question is, why do you feel the need to complain when youre literally setting yourself up for failure and then blaming it all on the game when in reality, it isnt the games fault, its yours ? Game doesnt reward no lifers anymore than it does casuals. People who play more are OBVIOUSLY going to have better things than you and more things than you. Its true in all aspects of life. Its like saying someone who spent 30 years studying medicine is a no lifer and their career has been more rewarding because of it, meanwhile you just entered med school and barely passed your MCAT. Harvest sucks! But look at my decked out gear two weeks in! Labyrinth salt farm miner. "But my build diversity" , "Game is too hard!" - Meta drone playing the same 1-3 builds for years. Last edited by Tin_Foil_Hat#0111 on Jul 12, 2021, 6:50:17 PM
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" This is an extreme strawman you're beating on here. I didn't say I wanted to play a 300ex COC build. I just wanted a competent 1h sword going into red maps that I didn't get despite going through hundreds of alts, chaos, essences and even splits. I don't think you appreciate how unlucky you can be rolling starter weapons going into red maps. It can and does suck sometimes. |
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" Making the game harder: Yes please! Count me in. Im all for it. One the best leagues in recent memory was Metamorph, when GGG did buff lifepools across the board to nullify the powercreep. What I wouldnt like tho is Harvest becoming mandatory. When I farmed Harvest extensively in 3.13 it was just busted in terms of power but also boring as hell. I still had to do it because nothing else in the game came close to what Harvest provided. I ignored everything but Harvest and that was the way to go. I dont like that and thats why I will never support a fullblown comeback for Harvest. " I dont. For the reasons mentioned above and because your point is delusional. Harvest was the single biggest powercreep this game has ever seen to this date. There is no debating nor denying this. Which is why I said it had to be nerfed hard and I´ll stick to my guns. GGG will always introduce powercreep and stated a goal of 10-15% increase of playerpower per league. Im fine with that. Harvest however allowed me to increase my damage output by 300% w/o using TFT - not 10-15%. See the difference? And thats just the offensive side of things, fully ignoring the increase in defensive capabilities. So overall we are talking something like 400-500% increase in playerpower, give or take. Doesnt even matter with numbers like this. What if I had used TFT? What would this increase in playerpower look like then? More like 1k%? What is GGG supposed to do to counter that? Buffing healthpools across the board by factor 100? Monster dmg as well? Do you realize what this would mean for the vast majority of the playerbase? You cant have a mechanic like fullblown Harvest in this game and expect it go well. It just wont. Thats a fantasy of yours and nothing more. Harvest would invalidate several mechanics and an adequat increase in monsterpower would turn the game for many if not most players unplayable instantly. And for what? Just so you can feel better? Sorry, thats not worth it as far as Im concerned and I wont support that at all. Last edited by Orbaal#0435 on Jul 12, 2021, 7:04:56 PM
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