Hall of Grandmasters legit suggestions (not complaints!)

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Fruz wrote:

In what world would you think that players who like PvP like to run that map ?
I bet they freaking don't

Yep.
I even mentioned it in some previous post.
you read in your own special way so you missed it.

But the people who really freaking don't like to run that map, are those who know nothing about PvP.
They just enter it because it's there on the Atlas, get hit with PvP mechanics and scaling, and then threads like the OP happen.

So why should it be there on the Atlas? Why should it be a Map and not a side area?
No reason, gamewise.
All the reasons in the world, from money investment and marketing POV.

I hope now I phrased this in a way, you'll get my point.
Agree or disagree - that's up to you.
But I know the minute you show up, I need to start writing things specifically, without giving you room to latch onto some minor detail bullshit and start messing with me for hours about it.

EDIT: Or actually I kept the word PvP in here. Shit.

So ... on top of having troubles communicating with others ( since you have been misusing words blatantly ), now you are resorting to lying, on top of everything else ???

No, you did not explain why players who like PvP would like this map, but please, go aheaad and show some more how you have no clue, what you are talking about.

You seem to really not know what is attractive in PvP games at all.

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johnKeys wrote:

So why should it be there on the Atlas? Why should it be a Map and not a side area?
No reason, gamewise.

Because ... it is a map maybe ?
Because it has been designed around having a limited number of tries for each instance (=6).
Because it's a tradable item that is part of the economy.
Because you can use ( not tried personally but I don't see why it would not ) fragments to increase the quantity of items dropping in it => because it has always been balanced around the fact that it is a map, and therefore just fits.
Because maps can have anything in them, I hardly see how it would fit anything else lore-wise, and having something that you need fragments to open would just make it tedious to enter for no actual reason.




PS : I entered it with a build that wasn't design to particularly run it in Delve, idn't change anything and pretty much smashed it ....
No, you don't necessarily need to cheeze it, like wtf.
Especially not with all the power creep in the game now.

Read my first and second post in this thread, before calling me a liar.
the loot comment was to hint the fact I don't enjoy running that map, despite loving PvP as a feature in the game.
read some more posts after that as well, around pages 4-5 when Head_Less joined.
but again, asking you to both read and understand at the same time is too much, it seems.
No, you don't read. you parse. you look for things to use as verbal weapons. that's what you do Fruz. every fucking time we have a discussion like this - that's exactly what you do.
You are no Rob. you're not a troll. but if you disagree with me then you will annoy the hell out of me, every single time.
because's that's just you.
But since you are no Rob, I won't assume you're doing that on purpose.
yet.
So I won't ignore you.
yet.

Though responding to "why should it be a map?" with "because it is a map" - is stupid.
Economy? sure. but Atziri Fragments are economy as well.
Lore? I don't think HoGM has any lore. it's not like you are facing legendary heroes of Wraeclast past. you are facing walking MTXes. avatars of people who contributed large sums of money to GGG by buying a specific Supporter Pack, some of whom are also really, really good at PvP, the game, or both.
and you are doing that under PvP conditions and scaling... which on the one hand makes sense as Head_Less mentioned (otherwise 1 billion DPS would one-shot anyone), but on the other hand is not PvE no matter how you spin it.
player characters, using player skills and player scaling. having an AI control that doesn't compare to fighting monsters in the wild Wraeclast or Atlas. those are different things in Path Of Exile.
Rogue Exiles or Warbands come kind of close, as someone here mentioned, but they are still PvE because their scaling is PvE, and some of the skills they use are not gems available to players.

P.S: now that I got my frustration from our shared forum history out of the way, what do you say we have an actual civilized discussion of opinions, rather than the usual jousting?

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johnKeys wrote:

Read my first and second post in this thread, before calling me a liar.
the loot comment was to hint the fact I don't enjoy running that map, despite loving PvP as a feature in the game.
read some more posts after that as well, around pages 4-5 when Head_Less joined.
but again, asking you to both read and understand at the same time is too much, it seems.
No, you don't read. you parse. you look for things to use as verbal weapons. that's what you do Fruz. every fucking time we have a discussion like this - that's exactly what you do.
You are no Rob. you're not a troll. but if you disagree with me then you will annoy the hell out of me, every single time.
because's that's just you.
But since you are no Rob, I won't assume you're doing that on purpose.
yet.
So I won't ignore you.
yet.

i love how you make all sorts of wild claims and just repeatedly run from them... but OTHERS have to be the trolls.

ie: recap.

edit: have you ever PVPd? i don't see any pvp chars of yours...

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Qiu_Qiu wrote:

Can't it be a non-map while keeping those properties?
Or even remain a map, but not one that's visible on the atlas?

reasons to remove it from atlas:

zero. we're STILL waiting for ONE actual reason (see recap for laundry list of false reasons/lies/hilariously disproven claims [ie: extra sextant!] ).

if you want change, you need to have a persuasive argument for it. so far... it's been 11 pages of rather amusing ignorance.

You're one persistent bridge dweller, aren't you?

sticking your nose into a discussion between me and Fruz.

And how would a "PvP character" look like?

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johnKeys wrote:

You're one persistent bridge dweller, aren't you?

sticking your nose into a discussion between me and Fruz.

And how would a "PvP character" look like?

...WOW. just... wow.

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robmafia wrote:

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johnKeys wrote:

You're one persistent bridge dweller, aren't you?

sticking your nose into a discussion between me and Fruz.

And how would a "PvP character" look like?

...WOW. just... wow.

answer the damn question!
How does a PvP character look like?

And unset "private" from your profile so you can show me an example.

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johnKeys wrote:

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robmafia wrote:

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johnKeys wrote:

You're one persistent bridge dweller, aren't you?

sticking your nose into a discussion between me and Fruz.

And how would a "PvP character" look like?

...WOW. just... wow.

answer the damn question!

what a strange demand, coming from the one that wouldn't (couldn't) back up his own accusation (don't worry, i'm not holding my breath)

it's clear that the reason you know so little about pvp is because you never did it. even this question... it's so freakin' obvious to anyone who did.

...so you love the pvp feature of poe... but you never did pvp in poe. queue "pvb"