Diablo 4 Would Kill Path of Exile

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Crackmonster wrote:

D3 is just so lame, it's so shallow after 1-3 days you are in the hamster wheel using exact same items just getting better stats on same items so you can do exact same content just a little bit harder. I mean come on, can't you see through how waste of life that is?

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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Crackmonster wrote:

D3 is just so lame, it's so shallow after 1-3 days you are in the hamster wheel using exact same items just getting better stats on same items so you can do exact same content just a little bit harder. I mean come on, can't you see through how waste of life that is?

ill be honest, im done with poe leagues after 2-3 days, pretty much consistently for what feels like years now, its gone from like 2 weeks and dead to 1 week and dead, 4 days, 3 days, last league i played i felt done after 2 days and this one now i didnt even log in to try it.

in d3 when i go there for a season i last a week or 2, even now. I think the reason is because the gameplay is more fun and theres actual challenging content, I can go and play rifts so hard and pressured that its actually unlikely ill be abel to complete them. I can try, and try again, and again, and then succeed, and then step up again. I actually have to think while playing them, its actually got second by second gameplay challenge, make or break decisions and plays to be made in the moment.

What do I get with poe? I faceroll 10 acts, then faceroll white maps, faceroll yellow maps, faceroll red maps and then after a week or mor eof faceroll I have to go through some elaborate rng routine to get access to something like uber elder or uber atziri that potentially takes 10s upon 10s of hours to farm ur way into... then u get like what? 10 minutes of challenging gameplay and ur done again, you got to go back and sleepwalk through 10s upon 10s upon 10s of hours of bullshit faceroll again... is that not a waste of life? feels like MORE of a waste to me than D3.

all the builds and options, 99% of it amounts to nothing. I can take a skill and do it pure phys, mixed flat ele, pure flat ele with pens etc, phys to ele conversion both a pure element or mixed elements, i can go chaos with it, ailment based like burn or poison or bleed... theres a million ways I can do a given skill and theres a whole load of items etc to bring that together. Result? they all feel exactly the same, I just walk up to mobs, press the button and its the skill, whatever it is, lets say reave, all those options I get in range press mouse 1, it does the reave aoe and everything is dead. None of that theory crafting made the skill feel any different, it could be any one of a million build and item permutations, it all feels identical, and the monsters Im fighting could be any of the monsters in the game, any rarity, they would all just instantly die and do nothing to me. Its not really depth, its just needless bloat, its an illusion of depth but really theres no variety to the experience, and theres virtually no gameplay to it, no challenge.

im serious when i say I think under all the numbers and the nodes and the stats and all the bullshit I feel like d3 at this point has better moment by moment gameplay and way more legit challenge, it actually feels like a game. Poe feels like im opening boxes, project pt said it perfectly, the monsters are just loot chests that move, you click on them and they drop items, its just a loot picking up game. When I play the only thing on my mind is clearing the area in a systematic method so i dont miss any mobs and then working out what to pick up. How do I I navigate the area and pick things up in an efficient manner, thats the game, I dont think about monsters or actual action gameplay at all. Its a joke, its pathetic tbh. Because theres no challenge or gameplay theres no reason to need the items, so its a game where all you do is pick up items that you dont need and essentially just end up hiding with filters. The game isnt even playable without a filter now, so much stuff drops and so little of what drops has any reason to exist.

I dont think im a casual player, Im not an original D2 player, Im an original D1 player, Ive been at these games so long I had the first one when it first came out, and my honest take on it is that by far the biggest waste of time in this genre right now is poe, by far, it outstrips even the likes of d3 which is such a flawed game. We could criticise d3 all day but ill be playing the next d3 season and I think even its items and builds are more exciting than poe atm purely based on the fact that theres a reason for them to exist, theres essentially infinite scaling content that players are giving essentially limitless access to and that means theres a reason to pick up item upgrades and refine ur build. Poe is just 1 shot everything from act1 onwards under the promise that if you keep grinding for days and days and weeks eventually ull get 10 minutes of something that deserves to be called a game when u spawn uber elder or a mortal hope finally drops. Pointless clickerheros timewaste of a game. You dont even need to isntall poe now, just install path of building, thats where the entire game is, thats the only bit you need to actually be awake to interact with.


diablo 4, if its even half decent, if its anything above awful, will just obliterate poe at this stage, so many people just hanging on to this games corpse because theres nothing else interesting to switch to.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

in d3 when i go there for a season i last a week or 2, even now. I think the reason is because the gameplay is more fun and theres actual challenging content, I can go and play rifts so hard and pressured that its actually unlikely ill be abel to complete them. I can try, and try again, and again, and then succeed, and then step up again. I actually have to think while playing them, its actually got second by second gameplay challenge, make or break decisions and plays to be made in the moment.

What do I get with poe? I faceroll 10 acts, then faceroll white maps, faceroll yellow maps, faceroll red maps and then after a week or mor eof faceroll I have to go through some elaborate rng routine to get access to something like uber elder or uber atziri that potentially takes 10s upon 10s of hours to farm ur way into... then u get like what? 10 minutes of challenging gameplay and ur done again, you got to go back and sleepwalk through 10s upon 10s upon 10s of hours of bullshit faceroll again... is that not a waste of life? feels like MORE of a waste to me than D3.

all the builds and options, 99% of it amounts to nothing. I can take a skill and do it pure phys, mixed flat ele, pure flat ele with pens etc, phys to ele conversion both a pure element or mixed elements, i can go chaos with it, ailment based like burn or poison or bleed... theres a million ways I can do a given skill and theres a whole load of items etc to bring that together. Result? they all feel exactly the same, I just walk up to mobs, press the button and its the skill, whatever it is, lets say reave, all those options I get in range press mouse 1, it does the reave aoe and everything is dead. None of that theory crafting made the skill feel any different, it could be any one of a million build and item permutations, it all feels identical, and the monsters Im fighting could be any of the monsters in the game, any rarity, they would all just instantly die and do nothing to me. Its not really depth, its just needless bloat, its an illusion of depth but really theres no variety to the experience, and theres virtually no gameplay to it, no challenge.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

Why would Anthem have any diassapointed fans? Its not like it had any prequel. You cant be fan of a game that you dont like from the begining...
(and I doubt there are people who are fans of EA games, so that wont work either)?

Because they are fans of that genre, and it has some seriously strong forerunners.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

big answer

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Crackmonster wrote:

D3 is just so lame, it's so shallow after 1-3 days you are in the hamster wheel using exact same items just getting better stats on same items so you can do exact same content just a little bit harder. I mean come on, can't you see through how waste of life that is?

ill be honest, im done with poe leagues after 2-3 days, pretty much consistently for what feels like years now, its gone from like 2 weeks and dead to 1 week and dead, 4 days, 3 days, last league i played i felt done after 2 days and this one now i didnt even log in to try it.

in d3 when i go there for a season i last a week or 2, even now. I think the reason is because the gameplay is more fun and theres actual challenging content, I can go and play rifts so hard and pressured that its actually unlikely ill be abel to complete them. I can try, and try again, and again, and then succeed, and then step up again. I actually have to think while playing them, its actually got second by second gameplay challenge, make or break decisions and plays to be made in the moment.

What do I get with poe? I faceroll 10 acts, then faceroll white maps, faceroll yellow maps, faceroll red maps and then after a week or mor eof faceroll I have to go through some elaborate rng routine to get access to something like uber elder or uber atziri that potentially takes 10s upon 10s of hours to farm ur way into... then u get like what? 10 minutes of challenging gameplay and ur done again, you got to go back and sleepwalk through 10s upon 10s upon 10s of hours of bullshit faceroll again... is that not a waste of life? feels like MORE of a waste to me than D3.

all the builds and options, 99% of it amounts to nothing. I can take a skill and do it pure phys, mixed flat ele, pure flat ele with pens etc, phys to ele conversion both a pure element or mixed elements, i can go chaos with it, ailment based like burn or poison or bleed... theres a million ways I can do a given skill and theres a whole load of items etc to bring that together. Result? they all feel exactly the same, I just walk up to mobs, press the button and its the skill, whatever it is, lets say reave, all those options I get in range press mouse 1, it does the reave aoe and everything is dead. None of that theory crafting made the skill feel any different, it could be any one of a million build and item permutations, it all feels identical, and the monsters Im fighting could be any of the monsters in the game, any rarity, they would all just instantly die and do nothing to me. Its not really depth, its just needless bloat, its an illusion of depth but really theres no variety to the experience, and theres virtually no gameplay to it, no challenge.

im serious when i say I think under all the numbers and the nodes and the stats and all the bullshit I feel like d3 at this point has better moment by moment gameplay and way more legit challenge, it actually feels like a game. Poe feels like im opening boxes, project pt said it perfectly, the monsters are just loot chests that move, you click on them and they drop items, its just a loot picking up game. When I play the only thing on my mind is clearing the area in a systematic method so i dont miss any mobs and then working out what to pick up. How do I I navigate the area and pick things up in an efficient manner, thats the game, I dont think about monsters or actual action gameplay at all. Its a joke, its pathetic tbh. Because theres no challenge or gameplay theres no reason to need the items, so its a game where all you do is pick up items that you dont need and essentially just end up hiding with filters. The game isnt even playable without a filter now, so much stuff drops and so little of what drops has any reason to exist.

I dont think im a casual player, Im not an original D2 player, Im an original D1 player, Ive been at these games so long I had the first one when it first came out, and my honest take on it is that by far the biggest waste of time in this genre right now is poe, by far, it outstrips even the likes of d3 which is such a flawed game. We could criticise d3 all day but ill be playing the next d3 season and I think even its items and builds are more exciting than poe atm purely based on the fact that theres a reason for them to exist, theres essentially infinite scaling content that players are giving essentially limitless access to and that means theres a reason to pick up item upgrades and refine ur build. Poe is just 1 shot everything from act1 onwards under the promise that if you keep grinding for days and days and weeks eventually ull get 10 minutes of something that deserves to be called a game when u spawn uber elder or a mortal hope finally drops. Pointless clickerheros timewaste of a game. You dont even need to isntall poe now, just install path of building, thats where the entire game is, thats the only bit you need to actually be awake to interact with.


diablo 4, if its even half decent, if its anything above awful, will just obliterate poe at this stage, so many people just hanging on to this games corpse because theres nothing else interesting to switch to.

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Crackmonster wrote:

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Destructodave wrote:

You keep saying original D2 players. Am I not one? Did I miss the memo all those years ago? I am an original D2 player myself, and I liked D3. Hell, I'm basically an original PoE player, too. I been here since 2011. I mean in what world do you consider something original? When it aligns with your own personal views?

I even like McDonalds. The issue here, is your low key elitism. You feel you are above mere mortals who might enjoy D3 and might like a Big Mac from time to time. Eating at your fancy corner restaurant does not make you a better person. You dont magically have better taste buds. Also, the food all turns to shit anyways does it not?

I'm tired of hearing about these fabled original D2 players like they only hated D3. I was right there from the beginning myself. Just like I was right here at damn near the beginning of PoE, because I was a D2 fan.

Look buddy, you can hate D3 all you want. Thats fine. But that doesnt make your opinion a fact. Your opinions of D3 are just that; your opinions. And numbers, playerbase, and other metrics do not agree with your opinion. Hell, all D2 players dont agree. I was a D1 and a D2 player, and I dont agree with your opinion of D3 at all. So stop touting D2 player as some kind of badge of honor as if you are the world's authority on what constitutes a good Arpg.

Bla bla bla.

I say original because that is exactly what i meant, distinctive from those who does not have emotional ties. I did never say all, i said the correct literal word.

In so far as diablo immortal goes, if it wasnt mobile i'd gladly play that too and give it a good try. But i barely even own an operating phone, they aren't my thing.

The phone is just another similar offense and further evidence they have sacrificed Diablo games to some weird experimental ish with no intend to cater to the old fans. It's just another intellectual property now, used for whatever might be worthwhile business.

Keep on with your lack of understanding and false assumptions. I've never hated a thing in my life, D3 just disappointed me. Nothing more, i think about it 5-10 times a year when someone talks about it and i react to these little kid coming here telling us our feelings are nonsense, but you are so lost in your own angle you can't see anything clear.

Go enjoy your McD as the rest of the masses, i'm not stopping you. I just want you to be happy and do what you enjoy.

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Aixius wrote:

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Let's be honest. There simply hasn't been an arpg good enough to top PoE's constant release of content. It's clear the community is getting fed up with half arsed content being released just to be released. I haven't been bored with a league this soon since I started playing this game. If Diablo 4 were released tomorrow, the PoE playerbase would flock.

Do you know why so many people Kickstarted this game back in 2012? It's because there were barely any ARPGs being made that could compete with or follow up on Diablo 2. That hasn't really changed.

D3 was the result of a studio hooked on WoW money appointing a WoW guy to "fix" Diablo by making it something completely different from D2. He even told us we didn't like it, that it wasn't fun. Later on someone else fixed his game and made it pretty fun, and then another group wrecked it again.

D4...tomorrow? Lol, you must have missed the Diablo Immortal announcement a few months back. Give it a couple of years and they'll be hooked on mobile money instead, then we'll see what kind of product "Diablo 4" will be. Until then, Blizz does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. Still, there's nothing wrong with playing two ARPGs either.

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arknath wrote:

People would try out Diablo 4 for sure then jump back to PoE since there is no way Blizzard is able to make any games with enough content these days to saturate the rapidly increasing demands ppl have when it comes to ARPGs. Sure the graphics might be flashy but the content from a newly released game will be waaay waaay behind years upon years of added content for PoE.

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Trensharo wrote:

RAG on Diablo III all you want, but if I want to get friends to play an ARPG with me and have fun, I buy them Diablo III. None of them can stand PoE after playing it for an hour or so. They just never log in again, but they text me asking if I want to play Diablo III with them.