Pros and Cons - Death Penalty

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vmt80 wrote:

The reason I referred to rules changing after level 95+ is that essentially anyone wanting to get those last levels need to play the game as if they were playing HC mode.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

There is a vast difference between losing 10% exp or your entire character. This is like gambling a couple of hundred dollars vs gambling your entire house.

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Anonymous1749704 wrote:

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Wladicorist1 wrote:

of course im going to die lol

It was your decision to play a glass cannon, so stop bitching. [Removed by Support]

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DER_PSYCHOPATH wrote:

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Wladicorist1 wrote:

of course im going to die lol
but if i have to play every single build on defenses then the game has a problem in its balances ...

No, it doesn't. There's a huge difference between getting 20-30% damage reduction and getting 90%, and the former can be expected from any player without issues.

Every single build needs a minimum of defences to survive a single hit in order to not die, and punishing people for denying this is alright.

If you play well enough to never be hit at all, ever, then running around with no mitigation is not a problem. If you're aware that what you're playing is a glass cannon and are fine with the repurcussions including the occasional death and resulting penalty, there are no issues.

However, when you refuse to take options that are available to you for no other reason than a notion that it shouldn't be necessary, you really can't blame the game.

I play glass cannons all the time, and I do die regularly. Some people check their deaths in videos about meme builds and they still have fewer deaths than most of my characters at that level. But I have never gotten the idea that somehow something or someone else was responsible for this.

I can't evade all the damage -> I'm the one who failed evading all the damage. I don't say "well, the game shouldn't have hit me that hard".

Of all the boss fights in the game, Act 10 Kitava (and its map equivalent, wherever that was, Lava Lake, I think?) is the worst telegraphed, I believe, and I still haven't figured out how to do it deathlessly. I honestly think the fight could be made easier to understand, but countless HC players prove that it's my mistakes that actually kill me. Or my laziness in researching and practicing the fight.

While I do think, that this fight in particular is not proportional to the difficulty of the rest of the game, I don't think I shouldn't lose exp if I die to it, or that my glass cannons should face tank it.

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vmt80 wrote:

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Slaanesh69 wrote:

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DER_PSYCHOPATH wrote:

Pros:
-Teaches you to improve on your flaws instead of ignoring them.
-The equilibrium you reach between experience and death penalty permanently keeping you from leveling further is indicative of the practical quality of your build.
-Has a small but distinctive influence on the number and extent of glass cannons played.
-Indicates a level of difficulty and challenge.

I could go through other threads and find more, but I hope it's not necessary.

I don't want to be the one bumping these threads either, but this post was so well said and so right I had to do it.

No it wasn't, it was well put only from a certain competitive point of view, and yeah, you had to bump the thread just to affirm what YOU saw to be the right way about thinking the game, didn't you.

From a certain casual view, it buggers people immensely that HC oriented players or those who care the most about rushing to 100 come here teaching how taking away other players' progress is a good feature. I do get it -those players have a different way of thinking the whole game. But it most certainly is not the only valid view, yet alone the view most PoE players would share.

There are no grounds for further discussion, because those players also see themselves entitled to decide the acceptable mindset of a PoE player. So let the trolling continue.

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SisterBlister wrote:

There is one significant other option though: If I don't care about getting higher than level X, then I can play the most ludicrous glass cannon in SC once I dinged that level. So yes, some differences do exist.

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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SisterBlister wrote:

There is one significant other option though: If I don't care about getting higher than level X, then I can play the most ludicrous glass cannon in SC once I dinged that level. So yes, some differences do exist.

Yes, it's the GREATEST problem of current death penalty (DP) - it cant reduce your level, so essentially, if you dont plan to level up further, DP is as good as NONE for you!...