Pros and Cons - Death Penalty
" All of them are true for me personally, and I appreciate the death penalty for those reasons. I would be bored much quicker if deaths didn't mean setbacks to overcome. Several of my glass cannon builds failed to level up at some point. Remove the death penalty and a Cast on Death portal will let me do whatever I want unless I die more than five times per map. Yes, if you don't want to learn from your mistakes and instead play trivial content, because you don't want a challenge, those two points I brought up might not apply. But I don't think that goes for everyone. I don't think offscreening Deadeyes farming low tier maps will go away if you remove the death penalty, so I don't know why you brought them up. If you mean that lower maps are more exp efficient even if you never die, then that is obviously a separate issue. If 80% of the deaths are uncontrollable despite having considerable defences, then you should be happy that you already play the game this well and you should die rarely enough for the exp penalty not to be an issue. You can still try to be rid of those other 20%. Around 80-90% of my deaths are either due to lack of skill or defences, and I still learn and improve. In my opinion, the death penalty isn't in place to slow down people who race to 100 (who in trade leagues will also have defensive supports and die much less easily anyway), so I don't know how they're relevant to what I said. |
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it's unfair that i can't get to level 100 by zerging because i'm totally just as gooder as havoc despite dying all the time. it's just unfair, what if my build relys on dieing? the death penalty punishes death-based builds unfarly and should be ebolished because it's obviously unpossible to clear maps without drying.
thorns, mirage, map reflect, and etc are literally unpossible to pass without dying so we cant loss xp because god and the bible said to take a bath on walk water and i eat shoes. [Removed by Support]
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" Well that is your best troll of the day, at least you try now to be entertaining :) Last edited by ffogell#6809 on Oct 16, 2018, 3:10:52 PM
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" Well like you said to each his own opinion. In the end who is right ? The only thing I know (having an autism kid) is that in the literature right now, punishment is considered the worst way to make someone change or learn. Its all about positive reinforcement nowadays. And I think that is why some people are for the removal of death penalty especially with the current design when you can die in the blink of an eye because there is so much stuff occuring in the screen at the same time, it frustrate them more than they learn from it, I mean no one is whining because they die to Atziri flameblasst or Shaper beam or any telegraphed attacks in game... Personnaly I think its a dead horse , i still think the death penalty should be removed but I doubt the current game design is ready for it especially if we want to adress concern from players against its removal Last edited by ffogell#6809 on Oct 16, 2018, 3:25:18 PM
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" and this participation trophy nonsense is why so many feel that they're entitled to that which they didn't earn. [Removed by Support]
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" That was a really good read, thank you. I feel both sides have enough merit to be read and considered and that in the end, it boils down to opinion. And in this case, it's the opinion of the devs at GGG which counts. I bet they read some of these threads, even if they don't post in them. So we can all just hope that their opinion reflects our own personal one and hope they change it or keep it (depending on said private opinion). May your maps be bountiful, exile
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The thing that never made sense to me is that this game is that I don't see how EXP penalties effect the people who are most serious about this game: Hardcore players. It literally has no impact. Hardcore is for the people who care about a challenge, Softcore is for people who just want to enjoy the game casually, and SSF is for fucking lunatics. Death penalties most impact the Softcore casual players, those who are either not as good at the game or who decide to just play less optimal builds.
And before someone chimes in with "but you play a bad build, so you get what you deserve," don't you think that playing slower is already enough of a "punishment?" To say nothing of why said "punishment" needs to exist at all. But we should all know by now why it really exists: The all-important retention rate. There is a frankly nauseating amount of shit in this game designed not to make the game more fun, but to keep you strapped in like a lab monkey pulling a lever for treats. This is a buff™
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" wow. no absurdly inaccurate premise, there! [Removed by Support]
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No pause is another problem. I've died twice in recent weeks because of phone calls.
I can't use portal because I was in Zana's one portal missions. |
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Lets see, can I be objective on the death penalty, it doesn't feel like anyone else is.
Pros: 1. The game punishes you for failure. Cons: 1. Disproportionately bad once you're level 90+. Yep, that's all I can come up with. It doesn't really stop you from getting to 100 any faster, because you can always do easier content or play with a faster clearing build. I can't imagine it adds any replayability since it's a punishment. Maybe to a select few who are masochists would enjoy it. The only reason it is disproportionately bad at level 90+ is because your xp gain is decreasing while your xp penalty is increasing. This could be true if you're overleveled anywhere in the game, but it is particularly apparent since top level monsters are around level 83ish. This is a solveable problem by giving players higher level content and/or reducing xp penalties. But since GGG wants the trek to 100 to take awhile, this is very unlikely to change. The most sensible solution, and I've advocated for it before is turning the xp penalty into a flat rate instead of a percentage. But really, even that isn't necessary. So why do I think it is a good thing that the game punishes you for failure? Because it adds value to your successes. Don't believe me? Just go do some Vaults of Atziri and tell me how you feel afterward. Naturally your mileage may vary and the death penalty might not be the best punishment for failure. |
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