Lair Map -> Boss needs balancing

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Zrevnur wrote:
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monkeyonyourtonsils wrote:
what's the DoT of this boss when he becomes wolf and bites your ass?.. it behaves kind of like bleed, but it's not. I have anti-bleeding flasks, and I can't stop the DoT.

Do you have evidence that anti-bleed does not work vs Lair boss?
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There have been some reports about anti bleed flasks in rare occasions (in general, not specifically vs this boss) not working correctly - not sure if this is true or not.

I have died to his bleed thing on a pathfinder with master surgeon spamming flasks so I don't think it's actual bleed.
Last edited by ladish#6213 on Jun 5, 2017, 2:38:58 AM
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ladish wrote:
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Zrevnur wrote:
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monkeyonyourtonsils wrote:
what's the DoT of this boss when he becomes wolf and bites your ass?.. it behaves kind of like bleed, but it's not. I have anti-bleeding flasks, and I can't stop the DoT.

Do you have evidence that anti-bleed does not work vs Lair boss?
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There have been some reports about anti bleed flasks in rare occasions (in general, not specifically vs this boss) not working correctly - not sure if this is true or not.

I have died to his bleed thing on a pathfinder with master surgeon spamming flasks so I don't think it's actual bleed.

Of course its bleed. Throw on a pair of death door boots. then all you need to do is stand behind a tree during wolf phase. Death door trivializes half the bossfight.
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BloodBaneBoneBreaker wrote:
Of course its bleed. Throw on a pair of death door boots. then all you need to do is stand behind a tree during wolf phase. Death door trivializes half the bossfight.

With Deaths Door I didnt notice any bleed/degen either. (Its possible I missed it though.)
No wonder it's lost, it's in the middle of the jungle!
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ladish wrote:
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Zrevnur wrote:
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monkeyonyourtonsils wrote:
what's the DoT of this boss when he becomes wolf and bites your ass?.. it behaves kind of like bleed, but it's not. I have anti-bleeding flasks, and I can't stop the DoT.

Do you have evidence that anti-bleed does not work vs Lair boss?
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There have been some reports about anti bleed flasks in rare occasions (in general, not specifically vs this boss) not working correctly - not sure if this is true or not.

I have died to his bleed thing on a pathfinder with master surgeon spamming flasks so I don't think it's actual bleed.


Afaik, master surgeon does not make you immune to bleed.

The wolf form definitely applies corrupting blood stacks.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
Didn't read thread, didn't read replies except the usual bad excuses ones like "nah u just don't know what to do etc".

This boss is a fucking monster compared to normal bosses. It regularly rips full groups in dark forest/lair, sometimes almost right away nearly everyone are dead and it's usually 1-2 fighting it or often dying before the end. It's easier solo because its way overtuned so in solo you are more in control of the boss.

All of it's shit does too much damage, the bleed is absolutely insane(and yes it can be removed but doesn't change that it's way too powerful compared to game). The cone thing it does is also ridiculously overtuned, try to compare it to dominus lightning stream [Removed by Support]

It's because of people like you that we can't have nice things, people that have no clue what they are talking about and still make sure you put in a good amount of posts in just distorting feedback, attacking truthful honest posts because its fun to just attack without thinking. Because you can. Ruining feedback, turning this whole forum into a bog that's much harder to subtract information from because most people will just go on forums to find someone to disagree with and it all turns into a big mudfight in the mudpool.



I am the light of the morning and the shadow on the wall, I am nothing and I am all.
Last edited by Crackmonster#7709 on Jun 5, 2017, 11:21:38 AM
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Crackmonster wrote:
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Didn't read thread, didn't read replies except the usual bad excuses ones like "nah u just don't know what to do etc".

Pull your head out of your arses!

This boss is a fucking monster compared to normal bosses. It regularly rips full groups in dark forest/lair, sometimes almost right away nearly everyone are dead and it's usually 1-2 fighting it or often dying before the end. It's easier solo because its way overtuned so in solo you are more in control of the boss.

All of it's shit does too much damage, the bleed is absolutely insane(and yes it can be removed but doesn't change that it's way too powerful compared to game). The cone thing it does is also ridiculously overtuned, try to compare it to dominus lightning stream and see that you are just talking complete nonsense and absolutely trolling the OP topic with your knee-jerk reactions.

It's because of people like you that we can't have nice things, people that have no clue what they are talking about and still make sure you put in a good amount of posts in just distorting feedback, attacking truthful honest posts because its fun to just attack without thinking. Because you can. Ruining feedback, turning this whole forum into a bog that's much harder to subtract information from because most people will just go on forums to find someone to disagree with and it all turns into a big mudfight in the mudpool.

Not sure whom (and what exactly) you are talking about. But your opinion appears to be "colored" by the current ES sponge meta. Note that I am not saying that Lair boss is properly balanced.

Example: With phys attack mitigation build (and anti-bleed) you can facetank the boss (no bad mods on map)(*). But you cant do that same thing (facetank boss on easy map) vs an ele boss (similar tier) like Crematorium with such a build. Its just that those builds are no longer used much. And weak sponge builds (in the hands of average player) get destroyed by this boss.
Consequently one question then would be: Should the game be adjusted to the (sponge) meta?


(*) I actually tested it this league.
No wonder it's lost, it's in the middle of the jungle!
I saw that message 5 mins ago and it has 3 [removed by support], yet now the poster just edited it back ? Oo for real ?

And with some armour, the wolf waves don't instant kill a well geared character at all.

Lair is a t13 maps, of course most bosses are going to be dangerous .... But this one is just a pattern to know.
It can be scary, well that's a good thing, it's one of the highest tier map bosses, it does not need to be a just a dummy, it's good as it is honestly.

I wish there were more fights like this one, where players need to think and don't just go and instant kill the thing.



edit : ah, the [removed by support] are back, as they should.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
Last edited by Fruz#6137 on Jun 5, 2017, 6:53:05 AM
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Zrevnur wrote:
This boss doesnt like the "current meta sponge builds".

Something like Aegis build with Deaths Door can probably facetank him with any map mods.



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DurianMcgregor wrote:
I think he's perfect. You can't leech tank him all of the time, which is great.


uhm.. not sure where you guys get your information from. I facetank rigwald in t15 dark forest on vulnerability/ double ele damage mods.

€dit: btw no armour required. Armour is for n00bs in 2.6
Last edited by zzang#1847 on Jun 5, 2017, 7:03:47 AM
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zzang wrote:
€dit: btw no armour required. Armour is for n00bs in 2.6

Maybe some people prefer playing the game rather than cheezing it ?


And no, you can't leech tank the wolf form .... which makes pure leech + VP weak to this form, but temporizing isn't exactly something very difficult, especially in the current meta.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
Last edited by Fruz#6137 on Jun 5, 2017, 7:10:31 AM
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Fruz wrote:

And no, you can't leech tank the wolf form ....


This is because he die before he gets there.

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