I feel like we're being a little too harsh to GGG
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You know why big companies like Ubisoft keep hyping up their games, getting as much pre-order money as they can, then release a buggy mess? Because people keep throwing money at them.
You know why GGG keeps hyping up their leagues, getting as much supporter pack money as they can, then release a buggy mess? Because people keep throwing money at them. Difference is, GGG has people defending them/questioning whether the criticism is too harsh. lol | |
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Anyone stupid enough to still be giving GGG money for such piss poor new content and atrocious design, balance and performance deserves to go broke someday.
This game and company peaked during Forsaken Masters, ever since the 1.3 nerf patch in which they decided to destroy certain builds and then to the Asc beta disaster in which they listened to ZERO feedback from PAID supporters, the writing was on the wall... creativity, competence, loyalty... doesn't exist any more with these guys. Buy that hot new MTX coming out though, they're sure hard at work on that. Dark_Chicken - lvl 100 Marauder
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" Couldn't agree with Shagsbeard more, here. I used to love coming to the forums. These days, I have one hand over my nose while sifting through the garbage in these threads. I'm 100% for constructive criticism, and I know a lot of folks here just want to keep this game alive and golden for years to come - and that's great. And so maybe they are concerned about power creep, or end game content being too gated, or what have you. I share that mentality. However, that is not the vibe I get when reading a large majority of the posts in General Discussion these days. The vibe I get is more like whining and cynicism. Last edited by natefactor07 on Jun 20, 2016, 11:10:12 PM
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Another server outage. Don't be harshly critical, now!
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Y'know, it's times like this that I stop and have to point out...This doesn't happen with most games. Yeah, every game is going to have it's faction of complainers and it's cadre of white knights, but this game's community turns that shit up to 11. And it's pretty consistent, too. There has never been a point where people aren't complaining about the performance of the game, or about the lack of meaningful content past level 60, or the soul-destroying grind, or the damage spikes and outright sadistic game design. And while every game has it's peaks and valleys, PoE also takes that to the fucking extreme. Have you even seen the Steam charts?
 The curves on that thing are ludicrous. Each of those jumps in player count coincides neatly with major updates, like Ascendency or the current Prophecy. People join or return from hiatus, play for awhile, and then the freefall starts as the game bleeds players like crazy. Of course, the harshness of those curves is amplified by the atrociously low player count, but that's not exactly in favor of the game. This game has less than 10,000 loyal players. That's the way it's always been. Everyone else is passing through, and usually leaving their familiar grievances behind. That is not enough to sustain any game, and spiking the player count with new hype every three months may be a clever band-aid, but it's not going to last. Look, I'm not a market expert, but god damn, that chart tells me enough, and I've seen bigger fish starved out with higher player counts. There is some god damn voodoo going on here keeping this thing alive right now. This is the death spiral: GGG can't afford to make PoE worth a damn and retain new players, so the new players leave, and GGG loses money, so they can't afford to make PoE worth a damn, onward and onward to the inevitable end. Really, guys, a game in it's third year shouldn't need to rely on supporter packs (AKA donations) anymore. It should have become self-sustaining by now, just like every other successful F2P game. Supporter packs are supposed to jump-start a beta into launch, they're financial training wheels for fuck's sake. This is a buff™
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" Eh, no. Look at this chart:  That's 200k active players on Steam alone. Now add people who use the standalone client, add people from Taiwan, add people from Russia... A conservative estimate is 500k, not 10k lol. You should also notice that people have been bringing up Steam charts for 3 years now. And then you should notice that GGG has only been growing since 2013. They're 50+ people now. How do you think they pay for that? GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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" What do you mean im fine with it ? I said i always post my opinions 1 way or the other , sometimes im with the general feeling sometimes im not . I did say i don't post over and over again about evreything ( some tings i do you bet cuz i care about what happens to this game ) So what if i tossed alot of money at GGG . I did so cuz i love PoE and i feel that GGG has the potential to make this game truly great ,that paired with a buissnes model i want to suport in the games industry vs the pay2win bullshit or buggy AAA content lacking models we see all to offten . Also did you notice i did not purches the latest pack ? I did not say don't post you opinion your fine to post whatever you want about whatever you want . THAT"S WHAT MAKE"S GGG GREAT THAT THEY LISSEN TO US . Sometimes however people are wrong so they don't get thier way . Hell iv been the head of flag waveing campains against GGG changes ( FFA loot changes for 1 i was against perma loot ) that i have lost . I got over it and moved on . P.s. PM me the part of your post that got removed by suport i want to read it . Just a sec let me grab a beer...@#*@ Ok how did I die this time
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" That whole argument is based on the fact that GGG is barly pulling in enoughf cash . I don't think that's the case at all . This is the thing with this pay model that's interesting . I have no idea what the actual numbers are and i would LOVE to see GGG's books on the matter cuz iv always suspected that they actualy rack in a shit ton of cash. Think about it . They have the base foundation of guys like me who pay WAY to much money for this game cuz we have disposible income and a love of the product + ( some ) trust in the devs . They give us ways to give them tons of cash without breaking the game in a P2W way Then they have the normal players . People who like the game but don't no life mode play it , they might spend 20 -40 dollors on a few things and stash tabs when they start playing then get board and leave , no more money comeing in but they basicaly " paid " for the game so that's fine . Then you have the HUGE amounts of people who pass through , alot of these folks dump some cash into the game , mabey for tabs on thare first playthrough, or on cool looking skins they see streamers use . then they move on . HOWEVER they also come back once in a blue moon to check back in on the game . make a new character , mabey buy a new skin and play for a bit . Then they move on again . Iv always wondered how much cash GGG dose bring in . I have a gut felling it's alot more than most of us think . The list of grand master suporters is large , that's 500 USD a pop . and only they VERY FEW top tier dedicated players would even consider buying that . Just a sec let me grab a beer...@#*@ Ok how did I die this time
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I remember when harsh was good.
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