Berserk - and why this class should be immediately changed [Long] [it seems 2.3 fixes it all]

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Argedava wrote:

Crave the Slaughter
adds 0-0 to 25-50 base damage based on missing life (values doulble for 2h)
adds 0 to 100% increased global crit chance based on missing life

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SaiyanZ wrote:

100% increased attack damage is around 30% to 50% more attack damage for most builds.

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sidtherat wrote:

40% more damage makes a huge difference for him. 100% increased attack damage? not so much

and - if that 'damage' stays - it boosts Herald of Ash burn, molten shell's damage, explosions from Abyssal cry, whack-a-mole totem's damage and most probably infernal blow's damage (i think the explosion is a 'secondary type' damage, not the 'attack' one). this is huge compared to plain 'attack'

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sidtherat wrote:

GGG confirmed it is 'damage' alone so traps etc included but worry not - there are far better classes for traps and totems so noone non-melee will take it

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Spoiler

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Crackmonster wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Okay, so here's a thought for you all.

The whole point of being a Berserker, thematically, is that you throw yourself into enemies - meaning they damage you - and you kill them quickly as a result of this. Because you're a savage beast.

I think that is backwards reasoning. You don't kill them fast because they damage you, they damage you because you forsake defenses for offenses. Berserkers are originally norse warriors - vikings. They thrive on battle and being fearless, they just right in there cleaving a bloody path, as some of the most brutal warriors the world has ever seen, in that primal raw way.

Because of this, they should be among the most offensive builds in the game. You wanna increase their damage taken as a result of them focusing so much on offenses, you need to have a much higher damage multiplier(more) than the extra link you can save from replacing fortify on champion(duelist).

In my opinion the berserker should be all about damage, blood magic and life leech. Something like half your life leech is instant, and some synergy with blood magic etc, i would like to see that.

Bold mine.

I think we want the same thing for Berserker, we just have differing views on how to get there.

Crack, you need to assume players are metagaming, and factor that into your desired feel. Pain Reaver is a notable which says "Want leech? Kill things." An in-your-face beast would want leech, so the concept works.

Aspect of Carnage, on the other hand, says "Want Attack Damage? Don't get hit." Now, the first half of that is a go, no question. But you know who really wants Aspect of Carnage? A Bowserker. Not a Berserker.

The class should be about life leech, but primarily life leech on kill (Berserker is not a pure tank build). And the class should be about big damage, but primarily big damage on hit. Yeah, conditions make it harder to use, that's the point - everything about Berserker should scream "fuck ranged, GET IN THERE." To accomplish that you NEED conditions.

But GGG can, and should, compensate with big numbers.

Aspect of Carnage does not have a condition. It has a drawback, and a caution-inducing one at that.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

this is all moot.

just check this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgCF4mONexk

just tell me how a pong-pong-pong melee guy can even compete with this? or maybe be at least twice as slow..

just why play melee when it is cr.. by design

I look at videos like that the same way I would watching rich folk fartarsing about in their sports cars. I live in the same 'world' as those people in only the broadest sense of the word. I know a LOT of currency, time and effort goes into this sort of thing. It's not something your average player can achieve or should hope to achieve.

So while your broader point that melee (true melee, not just trigger-melee) is inferior is true, and has been true for a long time now, I think using a video like this is a bit misleading.

I don't drive a bomb IRL -- not anymore anyway -- but I'll never drive a Ferrari. Is it strange that I'm okay with that both in real life and in a game? Do people play these games BECAUSE they can't get Ferraris in real life, and so expect the equivalent of sports cars in game? What I mean to say is, is it an accepted mentality that in a game like this, people think they're more entitled to power because it's not real life where any number of reasons exist for why a person never, ever rises above a relatively menial existence?

Because that's silly. No game worth its weight ever just handed you the sort of power that makes others envious. I doubt anyone ever watched an EvE video, saw someone in a Titan and assumed that's normal. This video? Titanic. No doubt.

So yeah, not the best example. Not until Mathil or some other game-rich person takes all those resources and puts it towards a true melee build for a solid comparison of what can be done with the same conditions. Do we know the outcome? OF COURSE -- if it were worth doing, they'd do it. These people aren't stupid. They know the straight lines to success and true melee just isn't one. Why put rockets on a skateboard in a world where perfectly tuned Ferraris are a thing?

I ask that as one of PoE's longest-running Eddie the Eagle types, happily strapping rockets to my skis. I'm just here to have fun and do really stupid shit because game.

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Mathil wrote:

[CoCSlam]

Spoiler

Passive Tree

Bandits - Life - Attack Speed - Power Charge