Elemental Hit
" Yea, trying a elemental hit wander, got a quick question A: does the added elemental damage apply before all % modifiers multiply it such as increased weapon elemental damage and more specifically, wand specific damage increase nodes? B: Is it really that hard to program and take into account the probability ratio of elemental hits to come up with an accurate tooltip dps? Last edited by Agion_POE on May 10, 2013, 3:41:11 AM
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1. It's the same as any other Base Elemental damage bonus..
2. Probably not in theory, but practice is something else entirely. The DPS calculator is pretty basic from what I can tell (it adds Spell Damage to Bear Trap, which deals non-Spell damage), when compared to how complex the game can get. It's actually pretty bad at the moment. Additionally, they have long planned an overhaul for the DPS calculator. It's a little futile to make large changes to the current model if it's just going to be replaced entirely down the line. Just doesn't sound like a good investment of resources :) Of course, that's just a random guy on the internet talking. | |
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When is elemental hit gonna be fixed so i can get a somewhat reliable dps shown, when looking at the skill?
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Please give this skill at least a small skill effect...Looking like the default attack is so
unappealing. YAWCK
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This skill is only useable with faster attacks because it only skaling with attackspeed and elemental damage. With 3 Attacks per second the spell cost 72 Mana per second without any support gems, this is to much for this low damage.
Some numbers: Given Weaponcombination is something to reach 3 attacks per second (dw + faster attack Gem) Average Gem Damage at 20: 286,5, Mana Usage: 24 +Weapon Elemental Support Gem: 170% Mana, +80% Damage Average Damage: 515, Mana: 40.8 +Faster Attack Gem: +115% Mana Totalspeed w/o Multistrike: 3.0 Average Damage: 515, Mana: 47, DPS: 1545, MPS: 140.76 +Multistrike: 180% Mana, +107% Attackspeed, -36% Damage Attacks per Second: 6,21 Average Damage: 330, Mana: 84, DPS: 2049, MPS: 173.88 Used Gems: 4 (Elemental Hit, More Elemental Damage, Multistrike, Faster Attacks) + Melee Splash: +160% Mana, -16% Damage Average Damage: 277, Mana: 135, DPS: 1720, MPS: 270 Pro: - Contra: - low damage per Mana - insane Mana usage - you cannot leech Mana or Life based on Physical Damage - low damage with slow weapons There are no incresed Elemental Damage mods included yet, it would be around 50-100% more damage then, the main issues are the Mana costs from this spell, compared to other Attack Gems, this does the worst damage with 3-4x Manausage. If you prefer slow 2h weapons, then you lose around 50% dps with 50% less Manasusage, but then you can use Heavy Strike or Glacial Hammer Instead with much more damage. Last edited by Fumina on Jun 20, 2013, 1:42:01 PM
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" Tool Tip DPS is wrong with this skill. You will have to add in the DPS yourself if you want to know what the damage is. The damage for Elemental Hit is much higher than the Tool Tip DPS number. | |
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I havent used any ingame datas :>, i uses the numbers from wiki
http://en.pathofexilewiki.com/wiki/Elemental_Hit Fire Damage 204–380 Cold Damage 167–311 Lightning Damage 33–624 In total its an average damage of 286,5 per Hit. | |
" It's hard to judge when: 1) You're not adding weapon damage to the math. You will need to use a high physical weapon and a tri-elemental weapon and play with the gems layout. 2) There's no point of comparison. 286,5 is better/worst than? 3) Add in auras as most elemental build have Wrath, Anger and maybe Hatred. Of course play around with auras for different builds. You cannot compare things in a void. If a weapon does 250 dps, EH can effectively double the DPS. Elemental Hit is one of the most damaging gems in the game. The high mana cost is justified. | |
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250 dps weapon is hard to compare. If the 250 dps weapon has an attackspeed of 1.0 per second, you will do lot more damage with heavy strike and glacial strike for ~20% of the mana usage. Heavy Strike + added Firedamage + Hatred + more ele damage and you do this:
150% Damage (Heavy Strike) +95% (Heavy Strike + additional mods like passives) +49% (More Melee Damage) = 435% Damage +39% Firedamage +25% Colddamage = +64% Eledamage + 80% More Ele dam = +115% Eledamage = +937% Damageboost in total There are no additional Damagemods included like passives If you really want to use a slow weapon, then EH does to low damage. I think, there will be allways better choices instead of using EH because of the Mana issue | |
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Try LMP and/or Pierce.
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