Why don’t we remove trading altogether?

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FadeXF wrote:

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comm_il_vec wrote:

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FadeXF wrote:

so I can't answer truthfully how Standard is going right now

Sorry, discussion of the cesspool standard economy means nothing. The important economies to discuss and worry about are the temp leagues. Too many variables exist in in the standard economy that differentiate from temp leagues and it's a dumping ground anyway.

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FadeXF wrote:

You are just afraid that people actually just want a non economic ARPG and you would effectively be losing victims to "trade" with? (cough cough - rip off)

Haha oh wow, that's a good one. Well done. YOU GOT US! ;D

bahahaha - ok - yeah I am just mostly joking - but really... I just don't understand human nature I guess. "Hey, you want something cool that has literally zero impact to my own game play - NO YOU CAN'T SCREW YOU HIPPIE!!!" - not sure why people rally so hard against some things. I don't get it and no one has bothered to take the time to explain it to me.

I've heard "we don't want to split the population" - I can tell you I haven't played the game in months, and when I did I was very minimalistic trading. My not playing in your league has zero impact to you as a player. I still donate money to GGG to help support the genre. Just as I'll support and even more if they did implement the play style that I enjoy.

And if they did create a SFL and suddenly other leagues saw a drought of players, shouldn't that prove something? Is it just fear that you would rally so hard against SFL implementation?

Help a bro understand this, please... I'm actually genuinely curious about this.

I can't really speak to how things would be if they made a self-found league. The amount of people who would leave to SFL would really depend on how easy they make it to get items. Even then, like some have stated in this thread, finding an item and trading that item for an item YOU need or for currency to buy something YOU need is something that can't be replicated in a SFL. It's a matter of preference. I personally wouldn't find the playstyle SFLers want fun, rewarding, or interesting at all. Having the opportunity to get any item I want with relative ease with no work involved? No thanks. I've always preferred to build my own wealth and use it to build my characters through grinding and trading. SFL would be a one-way ticket to boredom and burnout.

But I think this is all null and void, because it will never happen. GGG will reap what they sow, which is a game with an economy and a trading system that enrich the game and make items more accessible to everyone. They will improve measures to help those with self found ambitions while also improving the trade system. They will never remove it, they will never create a SFL.

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k1rage wrote:

lol Fade if you want a decent economy dont play standard

I don't really want an economy - period.

I hate restarting every 3 months - well, I tolerated it... up until "Masters" which I flat out REFUSE to relevel... GGG forced my hand to be a Standard player.

All my items are there anyways, and my Masters (still not all of them level 8 either) - and my characters.

Since I took such a long break from the game when Act4 finally releases I may do another temp league run.

After about 20 characters through N-C-M... it kinda gets lame. I ideally want to focus on level 80 to 90 stuff and new Act4 stuff is going to be awesome. NEW STUFF! Woot!

Any game where players can exchange goods will develop an economy

im not really sure what you mean when you say you dont want one

We just need better means to trade in the game ( for people who trade ) , so everyone can take part in the economy on a regular basis if you like .

A transparent trading system will improve the game experience for everyone who trades and the two main aspects of the game on which GGG focuses on : Temporary challenge leagues and last but not least Build diversity .

Playing self-found is a choice that a person makes to alter his / her gaming experience and I respect that , but ask yourself this question " Is this game suitable for my SF playstyle ? "

Because it is your call to make - to play SF or not to play SF at the end of the day - not mine not GGG's .

Now I'm not here to judge in any way , I mean you no harm self-found players but is it just me or you guys are being a bit selfish considering again the main forcus of the game developers here in PoE - temporary challenge leagues and build diversity ?

" Ha ha build diversity , is this guy on drugs ? "

Well not really , SF players in this thread already stated that it's really hard to find some high end build defining uniques on their own and want the drop rates to be increased , not considering the fact that that is build diversity at it's finest .

e.g. You trade actively - you play LL decimate the whole screen shavs ice cream truck with a cherry on top .

You play self-found in Path of Exile - you play around with WHAT YOU GET in terms of items in game and change your build constantly if you must ( reroll if you have to ), afterall it was YOUR choice to play self-found and you will have to ADJUST since the game wasn't designed for SF play . ( stating the obvious here )

Removing the trade option from PoE will hurt the players who trade and will not affect the SF players in any way , so there is no clear reason to remove it the way I see it .


Again , bashing SF players is not what I came to accomplish here .

Respect and understanding should go both ways when it comes to what we want and what the game developers invision .

Stuff might change in future , you never know .

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tryhardgg wrote:

afterall it was YOUR choice to play self-found and you will have to ADJUST since the game wasn't designed for SF play . ( stating the obvious here )

It is obvious, but I do think they needed reminded

No, keep the trading feature, the reason I left D3 was coz of the lack of trading/economy

Dont like trading. And would be OK if it is removed in a separate league.

Having an economy is great and removing trading would change the game to the worse. Trading means incremental progress and it means even if I find good stuff I don't need, I can sell it for something I need which means more useful stuff drops. No trading means progress is entirely up to RNG and if I find good stuff I don't need into the trash it goes which means less useful stuff drops. So trading needs to stay. And SF is viable so no need to change much. If you need a SF ladder I'd be for it. And maybe add a couple more recipes.

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muhomorov wrote:

Yea, we did the same thing with desync, and look where it got us... oh wait.