Unpopular opinion: GGG should put their foot down regarding "QoL" and convenience (e.g. loot filter)

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Pathological wrote:

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rrtson wrote:

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NeroNoah wrote:

Using the slippery slope fallacy is not going to give you many supporters.

One example I forgot to mention was the loot allocation, which demonstrably highlights my concern. In Open Beta, there was short allocation, then now we have permanent allocation. Caving into demands for convenience is in fact a very slippery slope. It's not a fallacy at all.

Yes.. a singular instance of a two step of OPTIONS is clearly a slippery slope.

"Caving" to what their users WANT is a good thing, especially if it fits within the game. There is nothing wrong with anything that you have mentioned.

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Ventor wrote:

GGG has lost their resolve with the community with this decision. They'll regret this decision down the line.

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In the real early days the game was pure FFA and nothing was allocated whatsoever – Just like in Daiblo2. What did you do then? Do you realize the whole concept here was that you were EXPECTED to be competing with your fellow party members for loot? (ask the devs, they all played diablo2 and they were all ninja looters)

This did many things – it created a harsh environment where players needed to work together but at the same time either fight for loot, or make some friends and share loot. If someone was not contributing to the group and just started following behind he or she would not get any loot, and rightly so, they should not if they were not helping fight.

With ‘loot tension’, the player needs to pay close attention to what monsters drop while they are in the middle of fighting. Sometimes you had to change your positioning and put yourself in danger in order to make sure you got your fair share of loot – it added stress, it challenged your attention span, and it was much more exciting. But yes, it was also unfair. – but only if the player joined public games, you still had the option of soloing or just playing with friends and joining public games after you were more skilled.

Some people got really good at looting quickly, and others formed groups and pooled items, and some just played solo to avoid either situation. Some of us, REALLY enjoyed all three of those environments. There was at least some variety in how you approached the game. Now ‘how you play’ is about the same no matter if you’re with friends, strangers or solo with PA looting being the only option used.

Some of my very best PoE experiences where when I was in full group and everyone was competing for loot at the start – but after a while, after saving each others hides several times, without saying a word, people started sharing and leaving good items that dident fall for them. I’m talking about good unique, alchs and exalted orbs just sitting there after the timer expired while everyone waited for the owner to get it without contest. Nobody will ever see this happen anymore – someone checked a box for PA loot, so nobody has the ability to show you they are a nice person or a respectable player, we assume everyone is greedy so we have to prevent them from stealing. This amounts to a loss of player freedom, and every time that happens the game loses something.

I find your comments to the OP insulting and utterly ignorant.

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Even some of the harshest critics of FFA/SA looting stated publicly that they never wanted to ‘ruin’ the strong FFA scene that PoE had, they just wanted a place to play casually some of the time.

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rrtson wrote:

"Loot tension" was the term that I couldn't quit put my finger on. Loot filters (and to a greater extent, Perm Alloc) has all but destroyed any semblance of loot tension in PoE. Many here forget that GGG created PoE because they liked D2 so much. One of the defining aspects of partying in D2 was fighting over the delicious loot. Some may find that playstyle distateful, but for others like myself, loot tension was as much a part of the game as killing monsters were.

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Dude, even Diablo 2 got a bunch of patches, and those were all great.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

The people playing with the Loot filter are in for a big surprise... all those colors and borders and sounds aren't going to make the game better. Their brain already has developed it's own filter and when you change all those colors you're going to piss it off.

It's kind of like the QWERTY keyboard. It was originally designed to slow down typists. But people adapted to it and changing it would only piss them off. People have tried. Here... try this more "logical" keyboard. No! Fuck you! Give me my QWERTY back! Same thing is going to happen with the filters.

Do you have beta access? I adjusted to the loot filter right away, and it works waaay better than my brain was working before the filter existed.

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rrtson wrote:

Yes, I am in fact saying that. It's called reflexes. In nearly every other action game in existence, being the first to spot (and click) means you win over your opponent. In Counterstrike, the first to click and score a headshot wins the face-off. In PoE, if you spot a recipe-item on the ground first, then you get to pick it up.