Protecting your "PRECIOUS" economy ain't working so give up and fix desync instead

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Xavderion wrote:

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Legatus1982 wrote:

Hey remember that one time when I said it would be better to trust the clients and forget security because this is an online videogame? And that people were going to find ways to cheat anyways and that botting and rmt will always exist? And that desync exists for literally no reason?

Oh right, that was every post I've ever made about desync on these forums ever. Why they pay someone actual money to make decisions when the players have been saying the obvious truth for eternity is beyond me.

I expect to see the same amount of logic on this issue as I do from their stance on melee: obvious problem with many obvious solutions exists, but ggg won't take the effort to fix these issues. Many good solutions have been proposed, but do you think ggg will implement any of them? There is a patch tomorrow and I'll bet anyone their entire stash of rmt-found orbs that melee is still shit in 1.3.1.

Nope, you play poe because you accept the fact that you are playing a game that is poorly balanced for literally no reason at all, you are dealing with desync for literally no reason at all, and you are in an economy founded on rmt and botting and cheating for literally no reason at all. You do this because why the fuck not? But there will be a day when a better game comes along and you can't be bothered to continue with poe and it will be because of stuff that has been solved a million times over and ggg refused to implement those freely provided fixes.

You are beyond ignorant lol. Why do the most ignorant people always claim they're telling the one and only 'truth'? You win the 'most rubbish in a single post' award easily :3

You think poe is well balanced?

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Tanakeah wrote:

The economy in this game is already screwed to high heaven, and not just in the permanent leagues,

More info about temp leagues economy being screwed to high heaven please

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Xtorma wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

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Legatus1982 wrote:

Hey remember that one time when I said it would be better to trust the clients and forget security because this is an online videogame? And that people were going to find ways to cheat anyways and that botting and rmt will always exist? And that desync exists for literally no reason?

Oh right, that was every post I've ever made about desync on these forums ever. Why they pay someone actual money to make decisions when the players have been saying the obvious truth for eternity is beyond me.

I expect to see the same amount of logic on this issue as I do from their stance on melee: obvious problem with many obvious solutions exists, but ggg won't take the effort to fix these issues. Many good solutions have been proposed, but do you think ggg will implement any of them? There is a patch tomorrow and I'll bet anyone their entire stash of rmt-found orbs that melee is still shit in 1.3.1.

Nope, you play poe because you accept the fact that you are playing a game that is poorly balanced for literally no reason at all, you are dealing with desync for literally no reason at all, and you are in an economy founded on rmt and botting and cheating for literally no reason at all. You do this because why the fuck not? But there will be a day when a better game comes along and you can't be bothered to continue with poe and it will be because of stuff that has been solved a million times over and ggg refused to implement those freely provided fixes.

You are beyond ignorant lol. Why do the most ignorant people always claim they're telling the one and only 'truth'? You win the 'most rubbish in a single post' award easily :3

You think poe is well balanced?

That's not the point.

It isn't logical fallacy to see that the cheating that was supposed to be prevented wasn't, and that the harm desync has done to this game is very real. To that end, I would propose that we do one of two things:

1) Do what the TC suggested. The benefit of smoother game play and not dying in a way where people feel "cheated" by the engine is worth it, and the risk of cheating happening is still mitigated by the threat of ban for those who get caught.

2) Allow an offline, LAN, or "open" ladder (player hosted games) that is separate from the current ones. If people want to cheat, they can do it there. Legit players will likely stick to ranked ladder servers, and if they don't, that just proves the point about desync, doesn't it?

While we can all agree on how harmful cheating can be to a game economy, the reality is that most of us are willing to put up with it for a better game experience overall. Desync really hurts this game, and it's my own personal opinion that desync is the primary reason this game doesn't have a player base about 100x larger than it does currently.

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Xavderion wrote:

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Xtorma wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

You are beyond ignorant lol. Why do the most ignorant people always claim they're telling the one and only 'truth'? You win the 'most rubbish in a single post' award easily :3

You think poe is well balanced?

That's not the point.

So what IS the point? Because as usual you didn't bother to make one.

Maybe if you had pointed something out specific that was wrong with the original post in question someone could explain to you why you're wrong, but since your post boils down to "lolz, u bad" (a noticeable pattern from you people) it's hard to say anything.

Desync is the penalty that pays for the extra security provided by having things done by the server. In this case, it was proven an ineffective form of security thus making the penalty you all pay in the form of desync completely meaningless. Show something that proves that wrong or gtfo.

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goetzjam wrote:

So people going to cheat or RMT anyway why bother keeping 95+% of the people honest in order to "fix" an issue that honestly I haven't had affect me gameplay wise since my last cyclone character (which I had a macro setup for)

Um what?

Really? I mean do you think 1.3.1 is targeted at melee? No so why do you think they would change anything about it when they have released most of the information on the patch.

The game is "poorly' balanced because everyone is different, everyones goals/playstyles/wants/needs/thoughts/desires various based on their experiences with this game, another game or what other factors can possibly come up with. Desync has been explained MANY times before and like I said I personally haven't had an issue with it since before the cyclone changes, even then it was really manageable. Economy isn't founded on RMT and botting, yes both have happened and will continue to happen, but to say that the economy is broken because of this is just a lie, ESPECIALLY in the temp leagues. If you are unable to make any wealth in the leagues you really must not be trying, its SUPER easy to do. (granted the chaos to exalt ratio sucks) Good luck finding that game that caters specifically for you (and I mean it), this one caters to quite a few happy players and while somethings have gotten worst over time, somethings have certainly gotten MUCH better.

Again Legatus i'm not saying melee in PoE is the best or even that good, but the complexity that have made in this game also (as you well know) limits the ways they can make melee a bit more desirable\playable then it currently is.

Tl;dr PoE is an excellent game, the best ARPG out on the market today (that's still being developed, supported, ect)

1. Desync doesn't affect ranged nukers much if at all. Proof you don't know anything about melee. Play a couple hours of melee and get back to me about how great desync is.

2. l2read?

3. No, I don't expect anything from 1.3.1 at all, I'm well aware of how GGG does things. What I'm pointing out is that unlike another company who would see something this problematic and immediately hotfix it, GGG is going to ignore it and hope it goes away until act 4 is released. At which point melee still won't be good, but they will probably introduce some bullshit melee unique (likely something that makes you less melee) so everyone can look at that bullshit mechanic and go "WOW! Look how OP melee is!" meanwhile ACTUAL melee builds without that particular item will be just as shit then as they are now. Mark my fucking words that is EXACTLY what will happen. Then the unique will get nerfed and guess what will still be shit? Melee, because everyone will still be unable to tank the damage output of regular map mobs in POE even with 120 points invested into survival.

4. Wealth in these leagues are you even kidding? Let me ask you a question how many exalts have you had ACTUALLY DROP for you? Now tell me how many exalts you have in your stash. Now answer me this question: how is it that everyone has all those exalts in their stashes and nobody is getting them as drops? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

5. I have played PLENTY of games that I like and none of them "catered" to me. The fact that you are passing this off as an attempt to have GGG cater to me is a fucking joke and you know it. Melee is complete gutter trash right now.

6. Desync has been explained before: Yes it sure has. GGG has opted to pick internet videogame security over internet videogame gameplay. Thus desync. Which is compounded by poor map design and game mechanics like devourers, leapers, elementals, etc that pop up underneath you. Then there's stun, freeze, fast move speed, whirling blades, the list goes on. The culprit for desync is clear and 99% of it it was completely avoidable.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

3. No, I don't expect anything from 1.3.1 at all, I'm well aware of how GGG does things.

So, your negativity serves literally no purpose. Most of the forum trolls here will at least attempt to justify their ceaseless stream of pissing and moaning with "I just want the game to get better!" So, since you expect nothing, you wanna just move on with your truths?

As a personal anecdote, A couple days ago ended a streak for me which culminated in 6 exalts and 2 divines in a week.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

Maybe if you had pointed something out specific that was wrong with the original post in question someone could explain to you why you're wrong

Sure

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Legatus1982 wrote:

you are dealing with desync for literally no reason at all

There obviously is a reason

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Legatus1982 wrote:

Desync is the penalty that pays for the extra security provided by having things done by the server. In this case, it was proven an ineffective form of security thus making the penalty you all pay in the form of desync completely meaningless. Show something that proves that wrong or gtfo.

No, it is not proven ineffective. Just because a few hacks are possible and game contains some bugs doesn't make it ineffective.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

4. Wealth in these leagues are you even kidding? Let me ask you a question how many exalts have you had ACTUALLY DROP for you? Now tell me how many exalts you have in your stash. Now answer me this question: how is it that everyone has all those exalts in their stashes and nobody is getting them as drops? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

And you know that noone is getting them as drops how? That's right, you don't.

I've read somewhere Chris Wilson (might also be someone else from GGG) loved the Diablo 2 economy.
I've also heard from numerable sources that Diablo 2 was botting heaven, with bots providing runes and items to the economy.
Not really what I would call a healthy economy to love.

Also, GGG knows where Desync comes from, yet they outright refuse to design the game around it "because of botters / cheaters / anything".
Punishing the law abiding to prevent criminals. Where did I hear that before?
Oh Right. DRM for games. Denuvo and the likes. "Uncrackable", as they called it. Cracked after what, a few weeks?
What I'm trying to say is:
If your security measures cause grief to 100% of your rules abiding playerbase, but only prevents RAM injections, it sucks and causes harm to the game.

And that "It will never be fixed"-mentality needs to go. That's the worst you can do.
Never be fatalist. If you call something entirely possible impossible, you'll never try.
Imagine the Russians hadn't made changes to the RBMK-1000 after Chernobyl because "It will never be fixed".
Imagine the USA hadn't fought Nazi Germany because "There will always be national socialists".
Imagine the NASA had said after Apollo 1 "We can't fix these flaws".

A fatalist attitude in game development, or anywhere, is absolutely unacceptable.
Ask yourself a few questions, GGG.
1) How could we fix or mitigate desync?
Just brainstorm here, no pussyfooting.
2) What or whom do we need to do that?
Don't make a list of things why you can't do it. Make one of what or whom you need to do it.
3) Where do we get what or whom we need?

If you have answered these questions, just do it.

If you keep on adding stuff like leapers, chargers, movement skills and such without working on desync, PoE will turn into an unplayable trainwreck sooner or later, and for good.
Do you know how many people will play and support a game that's unplayable?
Very few. Even your die-hard fans have a limit.

Because GGG fixing desync is comparable to the USA joining WWII...

Yep, that's enough internet for tonight.