Played D3:RoS since release till now, heres the results!

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Reinhart wrote:

If you love pimping up your Diablo 3 characters with legendary stuff, then that is perfectly fine.

Spoiler

But go and share your passion on the official Diablo 3-forums.

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Sickness wrote:

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majesw wrote:

Um, here's my personal experience.
1. I play PoE for 4 hours. I pick up 2-3 uniques and 2-3 rare items as well as orbs, quality skill gems, and various other recipe items.
2. I play D3 for 4 hours. I pick up 4-6 legendaries.

This is why I prefer PoE.

I have played hundreds of hours of PoE and I have never found anything that is close to BiS. All gear I use I have traded for. Sure, it drops lots of uniques, but 90% of it is low level vendor trash, and 9.9% of it is high level vendor trash. 0.1% of it highly situationally useful vendor trash.

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SlixSC wrote:

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Sickness wrote:

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majesw wrote:

Um, here's my personal experience.
1. I play PoE for 4 hours. I pick up 2-3 uniques and 2-3 rare items as well as orbs, quality skill gems, and various other recipe items.
2. I play D3 for 4 hours. I pick up 4-6 legendaries.

This is why I prefer PoE.

I have played hundreds of hours of PoE and I have never found anything that is close to BiS. All gear I use I have traded for. Sure, it drops lots of uniques, but 90% of it is low level vendor trash, and 9.9% of it is high level vendor trash. 0.1% of it highly situationally useful vendor trash.

You are kind of proving his point of why itemization in D3 is still god awful.

D3 is still about just hunting for BIS legendaries. The itemization and gear progression in D3 goes something like this.

Legendary -> slightly better legendary -> slightly better legendary -> slightly better legendary... and so on.

Thus the ONLY thing you pick up in that game are legendaries, not even all legendaries but just the ones that are useful to you (given that you can't trade).

So to say that alot of legendaries drop is a meaningless statement, if the legendaries that drop do not directly contribute to your characters gear progression.

While it is true that alot of the uniques in PoE are useless compared to other uniques, they always have some value to you as a player by virtue of you being able to vendor them for currency. Let's compare that to D3 where the amount of legendaries that drop is greater and you could even argue that the legendaries that do drop are generally of "higher" quality.

But here's the thing, if these legendaries aren't direct upgrades to your character, no matter how good the stats on them, they are effectively worthless to you as a player (unless you fall victim to the gambler's fallacy, which you apparently have).

For example, in D3 you could find an absolutely insane chest for a wizard on your barbarian, say BIS unique, but if you have no plans of ever playing a wizard and given that you cannot trade that unique to other players does it really make any sense to argue that you just found something "good"?

Good in what sense? It's not useful to you, the only person who could possibly use it, so by what standard is that item actually good?

Which is really the problem with D3, as much as I hate trading in PoE for practical reasons, the fact that in D3 the value of an item is only relative to you and only you, means that even if you find a BiS unique it's value could still be 0 (and I really mean 0) because it can never be valuable in a more complex sense (say trade value)

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Sickness wrote:

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empressaria wrote:

Legendary items in D3 can be salvaged for Forgotten Souls, which are basically improved Chaos Orbs.

Yeah, Forgotten souls are constantly in high demand for me as I craft and reroll lots of stuff. So it's abit silly to complain about bad legs while praising currency drops :p

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xSyK0TiC wrote:

Hey!

I can't wait to start playing some Path of Exile once again! Holy crap. I don't know how many of this community (in secret lol) played the new expansion for D3, but let me tell you...do not waste any amount of cash on it. Now, it was fun for the first two weeks for me personally. Getting upgrades here and there, enjoying the new skills and activities like bounties and rifts. Then something happened. The wall hit, and by wall I mean the gear progression wall. The scaling of the difficulty system in D3 is atrocious. Anyone who has played D3Vanilla knows that crit chance, and crit damage is everything. This remains true, except they added +ele damage to the mix which is now also a must for every class if you want to do anything above Torment 1 difficulty. Anyways, the game is mediocre, not horrible, but by Diablo fan's standards it is utter garbage still, 2 years after release.


Why am I making this thread? Well, if you ever want to complain that GGG doesn't listen, or communicate with us the community, then you may want to pay the forums a visit in D3. When GGG is addressed with a bug they fix it. And we know they fix that shit in a hot minute in most cases, unless it requires a serious patch. In D3 on the weapons, there is an mod that is %damage. Well, this particular mod only works on black damage (non element affiliated damage type). This has been an issue since release. Still not fixed even though it has been addressed. Pathetic. Also, set items - A monk set, and a Wiz set, has been broken since release. Still no fix. Basically two classes are shafted, and have been, and will be until one magical Tuesday morning, maybe a patch will fix it.


Alas, here comes my final personal opinion. GGG may not always get it perfect. But hell, they try, and they try hard. I honestly believe if they had the resources and finances that Blizzard has at their disposal, this game would surely be at the top, gameplay wise and popularity wise.


Oh also, in D3: RoS, legendarys are not thrown to you like candy. Maybe in comparison to PoE, but its not all cookies and unicorns. I am sure we all know of Crown of Thorns. You know, that unique you've had drop a million times in 70+ maps? Well, D3 has a lot of legendary items, but most are filler. They don't even have anything unique about most of them. Just a tad bit higher mainstat and vitality. In PoE a unique is a unique item. Shitty or not. It has something that makes it unique apart from a rare. Also in D3 you can now farm for an item theoretically for years and still not get it because of the now revealed, weighted loot tables. Basically like PoEs drop tables but the key difference here is that you can trade, or slowly save up to purchase said item, or chance it, or hell find it!


The only thing D3 has over PoE, is a smooth gameplay experience, except when you open your inventory, or a friend logs on, or a clan mate identifies 10+ legendaries in chat, or you are fighting on the Bridge of Korsikk. But other than that, smooth. Not really any noticeable desync or rubberbanding, and fast and satisfying skills.


So to the PoE community, new or old, be glad this game has dev's that care. That are willing to listen to you, and communicate back. Hell! Even involve themselves in podcasts with players of the game! Invasion league may not have been great for everyone, but from what I have seen they have been working on it for the community, and I believe the same goes for Vaal areas if I am not mistaken.


Anyways, respond how you want. I know sometimes we can get frustrated at times with GGG about things, but I believe in most cases things will be looked at and worked on the best they can. The only complaints I usually have are midseason nerfs, and skills that are left in the abyss and are never used, or reworked to usable status. But I think they are addressing skills as well, but I may be mistaken.

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

You didnt mentioned, that in D3 legendaries drop now mostly on "time" basis (rather than on "number of enemies killed"). That's it, 10x faster clearing speed wont bring you 10x legendaries dropped, i doubt it will double your legendaries drop even. Sure, you will gain far more experience, but much like PoE, experience doesnt worth much in D3.
Such a system encourages noobs only. Also, when you quit game for a while, you will receive hidden "rested bonus" to drops for a short time.

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SlixSC wrote:

You are kind of proving his point of why itemization in D3 is still god awful.

D3 is still about just hunting for BIS legendaries. The itemization and gear progression in D3 goes something like this.

Legendary -> slightly better legendary -> slightly better legendary -> slightly better legendary... and so on.

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SlixSC wrote:

Thus the ONLY thing you pick up in that game are legendaries, not even all legendaries but just the ones that are useful to you (given that you can't trade).

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SlixSC wrote:

While it is true that alot of the uniques in PoE are useless compared to other uniques, they always have some value to you as a player by virtue of you being able to vendor them for currency. Let's compare that to D3 where the amount of legendaries that drop is greater and you could even argue that the legendaries that do drop are generally of "higher" quality.
But here's the thing, if these legendaries aren't direct upgrades to your character, no matter how good the stats on them, they are effectively worthless to you as a player (unless you fall victim to the gambler's fallacy, which you apparently have).

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SlixSC wrote:

For example, in D3 you could find an absolutely insane chest for a wizard on your barbarian, say BIS unique, but if you have no plans of ever playing a wizard and given that you cannot trade that unique to other players does it really make any sense to argue that you just found something "good"?

Good in what sense? It's not useful to you, the only person who could possibly use it, so by what standard is that item actually good?

Which is really the problem with D3, as much as I hate trading in PoE for practical reasons, the fact that in D3 the value of an item is only relative to you and only you, means that even if you find a BiS unique it's value could still be 0 (and I really mean 0) because it can never be valuable in a more complex sense (say trade value)