Invasion League - Clearly not overtuned.

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Bars wrote:

There is a slight difference between fighting her prepared, well-geared and on your own terms and eating a one-shot out of nowhere while you're leveling and investing all of your resources in an attempt to gear up in a league which is so gear-starved that items that are vendored in Standard are sold for chaos orbs.

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BisuProbe wrote:

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Bars wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

Let me restate something clearly here so that everyone can see it ( since everyone is ignoring this part, or just can't read it from the start ) :

Chaska does not only spawn in invasion

There is a slight difference between fighting her prepared, well-geared and on your own terms and eating a one-shot out of nowhere while you're leveling and investing all of your resources in an attempt to gear up in a league which is so gear-starved that items that are vendored in Standard are sold for chaos orbs.

This is why everyone is so annoyed by you, you're standing on your high pedestal and "enlightening" people with your wise thoughts when you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Go play Invasion, die in one second with a build that doesn't even feel the damage of normal content bosses and you'll be singing a different song. And that applies not specifically to Ch'aska, but to at least 3-4 bosses.

this 1000 times

i learnt to stop listening to some people long ago.

its like trying to talk about a subject matter with a village idiot instead of an expert.
as if a village idiot opinion is more highly valued than that of an expert.

people who dont play invasion extensively (reached merciless minimum) should stop talking about the matter.

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Bars wrote:

Dying in 1 second to elemental damage with 77% resist all and 2500 hitpoints in Act 2 Cruel (say hi to Vaal Metalsmith) is not challenge, it's a bad joke

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Fruz wrote:

And btw, if a monster is over-tuned for well gear characters, it also applies for less-geared char .... another obvious thing here, so testing that and getting to such a conclusion could not be more relevant.

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Fruz wrote:

Do you have a relevant experience about that boss like the guy in the video ( who is not in invasion, btw ) ? Like, an experience that is not about just getting one shot ( you know .. something that could help the discussion ) ?
"First hand experience" about this mob in its current state about people being so proud of playing in evasion is hilarious lol, most people just insta died, nothing that could be useful here

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Bars wrote:

Spoiler

This thread reminds me of my brief Diablo 3 days. It was before the Inferno nerf and the only possible way to progress through Inferno with Barbarian was to stack unholy amounts of resist all. There were certain breakpoints which, once you reached them, allowed you to not get instagibbed and actually progress through each act. Act 1 required some grinding, Act 2 required a lot of grinding and Act 3 and Act 4 required an unreasonable, soul-crushing grind.

So, I have grinded my ass off and I'm progressing through Act 3. I've experienced first-hand the huge difference made by these invisible breakpoints of resist all - sometimes even a few percents would be the difference between "unplayable" and "I can survive this". And then, some friend of mine starts telling me how stacking resist all is useless, there are diminishing returns and whatnot. He hasn't even reached fucking Inferno yet, but he's lecturing me and explaining how what I've tried and tested in practice actually, you see, doesn't work - because he's good at math and he's read the mitigation effectiveness charts or something like that.

God, I love theorycrafters!

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Real_Wolf wrote:

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allbusiness wrote:

How about you prove that you play Invasion? Until otherwise, everyone that actually has a high level character is going to call you out because it's obvious you have very, very, very little to no experience in Invasion league. What I'm really sick of is people like you, Fruz, Real_Wolf, etc. trying to comment on high level Invasion play when you don't even play at that level. You have no experience at high levels, you have never encountered Ch'aska apparently, and you 'apparently' have a level 55 character in Cruel. How you can comment on the damage a mob does in Merciless, Maps, etc. when you aren't even there yet is fucking beyond me, along with 'tactics' on how to beat her.

What I hate about people like you, is you try to disregard any discussions unless the person has a level 100 in every league, and ignore basic LOGIC that can be applied anywhere.


I don't believe I personally have been saying "Oh, she's easy to deal with." Infact no one has

I also don't believe I personally have been saying "I could do that easily", "I am better than you" "I am super skilled" "I could do better" "I never have trouble with PoE" or any of these other statements that are based on PERSONALY experience.

What I do remember saying, many times, is LOGICAL statements, such as 'Enfeeble used there would reduce the damage that they deal'.


As I saw in some other threads, and indeed see on many forums, is people who try to disregard other players theorycrafting entirely based on personal experience.

Newsflash: If you have to attack a persons credibility by saying "You haven't done it yourself so you don't know" then you may be going down the route of a fallacy, attacking the person because you can't defeat the argument.

Now lets see, IS there things that can be done to improve the survivability vs these bosses? Yes, there is. Am I saying this would make the boss do-able? No, I am not, I don't have that experience.

Can we look at a video and say "If this had occured like this, it could have gone in a more positive direction" without actually having the personal experience? Yes

Can we look at the video and say "In future if you always do this it will work", No we can not, this is getting too complex with the number of variables that exist.



What theory crafting can do very well, is take a situation that HAS occured, break it down to individual points (thanks to videos), and see what situations went unfavourably and what ones went well, extrapolate from that what sort of strategies work well, and then say "This could be a better way of engaging this boss"

What the practical people, which I will always say is not me since I play PoE with my eyes half closed, can do is attempt the theorycraft. With more information, more feedback in the loop, we can then look at the situation and analyse it again. See whether the change in strategy was viable, or even possible. Perhaps it actually doesn't work.



So to put it plainly.

Please stop dismissing peoples opinions based on whether they personally have done something. Theorycrafting is one of the skills that is required to be a good drafter in something such as Dota, it is something which allows you to develop different strategies in SC2, and it is also equally valid in PoE. It does not require the same skillset to be able to action said strategies. Just like PoE

Feel free to discuss the arguments people make based on personal experience, discussing things such as 'this strategy has been tried unsuccesfully' or 'this death occured within 2 seconds, which given cast time of 0.6 for the curse meant you would hav etaken 1/3 of the damage already or more, assuming you didn't get stunned' (See the previous is theorycrafting about the theorycrafting solutions, anyone can do this if they are intelligent enough)