iron reflexes vs full evasion

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Ceryneian wrote:

Nope Tinko - sorry you are wrong again. You are ignoring the life argument because you fail to acknowledge that a 9k life build with evasion does not care about 1 shots, just as an armor build would not.

What do levels have to do with anything? If someone is on level 99 and another person is level 90 - you really think that means one build is stronger than the other? Or are you now just trolling us? Btw - there are people doing my build that are level 94+. Nemesis guys that are 85+.

It is also funny how you keep talking about being lucky. Really makes it clear to me that you still don't understand that evasion is not pure RNG.

Are you saying that a 9k life evasion build CANNOT be 1 shot?

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Ceryneian wrote:

Nope Tinko - sorry you are wrong again. You are ignoring the life argument because you fail to acknowledge that a 9k life build with evasion does not care about 1 shots, just as an armor build would not.

What do levels have to do with anything? If someone is on level 99 and another person is level 90 - you really think that means one build is stronger than the other? Or are you now just trolling us? Btw - there are people doing my build that are level 94+. Nemesis guys that are 85+.

It is also funny how you keep talking about being lucky. Really makes it clear to me that you still don't understand that evasion is not pure RNG.

So, a 4k physical damage wouldn't one shot you with 3.8k life?
Explain your life "argument".

Levels do have to do with a lot of things, and I wrote why, and I'll say again:

"Evasion for melee is fine, but it's not for 94+ level characters, where you lose 4+ hours of 78 lvl map grinding if you get one shot, unless you intend to skip harder content."

PLEASE READ my post before you attempt writing yours, that's the least you can do.

I know it's all about your build, that's why you're still blindly defending yourself.

And the last 2 sentences prove that you don't like to read.
I never said it's pure RNG, I said when you get hit by a hard hitting monster you have a pretty good chance of one shot, which isn't acceptable in the high endgame.

Won't be replying to you anymore, unless you actually start reading, this is getting annoying, pointless...

Anyone can get one shot in right conditions, thats what makes poe so amusing.

this again..

evasion helps vs elements - armor doesnt. this and this alone is important

armor is a huge, manly number of 20 or 50000 - it looks impressive it gives false sense of security

and does nothing to '98% dmg added as lightning'. evasion can and DO prevent projectiles and spells with phase acro. armor only reduces the phys component

yep, some monsters can be ignored with armor, but noone stops high eva char to run SOME armor (like 3000) to remove trash hits and we all know how granites of ironskin work.

block/spell block is irrelevant as it is another type of defense not connected with ar nor eva

btw endurance charges + IC trivialize physical dmg completely and i think it is easier to spec into long IC than it is to spec into 50000 armor

btw2 there are no extra rewards for facetanking everything just 'because i can'

"one shots" are relevant term.

having a pack of mobs hitting you simultaneously and 3 of them critting is the same as having a single boss critting for 10k damage.

both kill you.

the differance is that evasion is a bit more succeptible to be one shot by heavy hitters while armor is more succeptible of being "one shot" by insane packs of mobs.

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It's not a spell, it's an attack, part physical and part lightning.

I know i know , edited myself before ur post. But i want to remind that any char is not supposed to tank ToG or a Vaal Smash or any "potential 1 shot telegraphed hit", u should not use that argument when comparing armor and evasion efficacity.

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sidtherat wrote:

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this again..

evasion helps vs elements - armor doesnt. this and this alone is important

armor is a huge, manly number of 20 or 50000 - it looks impressive it gives false sense of security

and does nothing to '98% dmg added as lightning'. evasion can and DO prevent projectiles and spells with phase acro. armor only reduces the phys component

yep, some monsters can be ignored with armor, but noone stops high eva char to run SOME armor (like 3000) to remove trash hits and we all know how granites of ironskin work.

block/spell block is irrelevant as it is another type of defense not connected with ar nor eva

btw endurance charges + IC trivialize physical dmg completely and i think it is easier to spec into long IC than it is to spec into 50000 armor

btw2 there are no extra rewards for facetanking everything just 'because i can'

True, but there's a 75+ resistance that take care of more than 3/4 of the extra damage.

The "trash" hit are not an issue, the hard hits are.

There are no extra rewards for anything, not for facetanking nor just killing...

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shroudb wrote:

"one shots" are relevant term.

having a pack of mobs hitting you simultaneously and 3 of them critting is the same as having a single boss critting for 10k damage.

both kill you.

the differance is that evasion is a bit more succeptible to be one shot by heavy hitters while armor is more succeptible of being "one shot" by insane packs of mobs.

True, but when you get one shot, game over, and with multiple smaller hits, you're leeching/regenerating out the damage taken, or ultimately move away and single them out.

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Yesu wrote:

I know i know , edited myself before ur post. But i want to remind that any char is not supposed to tank ToG or a Vaal Smash or any "potential 1 shot telegraphed hit", u should not use that argument when comparing armor and evasion efficacity.

That was just an example, as I've said, on which he replied like an insulted highschool guy.

I was also using an argument of a white bear that hit him for half of his life, now imagine if that was a rare bear with 2-3 damage mods.

Again Tinko you are wrong. I said an evasion build on 9k life would not care about one shots as much as an armor build on 9k life. And this is true but you will never acknowledge it.

You are so full of yourself and think armor is the only way to do endgame melee. It must infuriate you when you see other melee builds doing endgame bosses without needing 9k life.

As I said before it really is pointless trying to argue with irrational armor fanboys. I have tried before, but you may as well be arguing with a brick wall. Especially Tinko when he has demonstrated he has no clue how evasion works and has never played a correct evasion build. It is really sad how ignorance like this permeates the game.

This is so horrible and embarrassing...

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now imagine if that was a rare bear with 2-3 damage mods.

Well we can take a look at this. A 2k hit with "extra damage" + "Allies Deal Substantial Extra Physical Damage " aura + "x% increased Monster Damage" from map = 2000(1+0.25+0.5+0.35) = 4200 physical damage.

A dude with 20k armor which is a fair amount would still take ~3367 damages.