iron reflexes vs full evasion
" I don't want to argue anything, all I said is my impression is that evasion is better with the right gear than IR, for ranged and for melee with shield. Without shield IR is better. I do all sorts of map mods (phys reflect is a no no tho), and run exclusively 75-77 maps. And I don't find pure evasion (5k hp, 15k ER, 40% chance to dodge, 30% chance to dodge spells, 60% block, 0% spell block, 75% all res, -4% chaos res, without flsks) worse than my aegis tank (16k armor, 1,5k Es, 4,5k hp, 75% chance to block, 65% chance to spell block, 77% res, cold is 82% i think, -40% chaos, without flasks). Did u ever have a 90 level evasion character which did not work for you? Or is it something you conclude without testing based on numbers? items shop: 364086 ign: [ICU]missuse if you like to HLD, add me inactive in game atm, PM me if you need something. Last edited by missuse#0603 on Jan 31, 2014, 4:08:44 AM
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" Well, I'd take the privilege of discrediting your statements of evasion being better in tanking, until you actually provide proof, logically. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for upgrading my tanking ability, and if someone proves me that evasion is indeed better, I'm respeccing immediately, who wouldn't. Why would I want to have a 90 lvl evasion character instead of IR/US one? That's the whole point. Of course I conclude that based on numbers, if you have a 10% chance of getting hit, you'll get one shot with some difficult map mods, period. There's no opinions in that, it's how it is. Good luck leveling from 90 when you have that kind of chance. Of course, you may keep away from hard map mods, but where does the word "tank" fit in there? There's a difference between tanky and a tank. EDIT: Have to comment you 5k life pool, looks like you haven't done a proper map with hard mods, because even sometimes with 9k+ life you take 4-5k damage with 50k+ armour, that hit would melt your evasion character even with 20k life. Last edited by tinko92#6447 on Jan 31, 2014, 4:15:58 AM
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" evasion character is not a tank at all. The whole point of a tank is to be able to take a hit. The whole point of an evasion char is not to get hit. If you are IR u get hit 95% of the time. If you are evasion you get hit 5% of the time (without jade flasks). Sure Vaal smash can kill me, can you tank it? The hardest map mods for me have nothing to do with phys dmg -max res combined with ele weakens, 90%+ more dmg of some element and vulnerability. are pretty tough for me. That said what do you think what mitigates elemental dmg better evasion or armor? EDIT: I think you should try an evasion option with acro on your IR char for one level. Give it the benefit of the doubt and try it. items shop: 364086 ign: [ICU]missuse if you like to HLD, add me inactive in game atm, PM me if you need something. Last edited by missuse#0603 on Jan 31, 2014, 4:42:25 AM
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" White monsters in 76+ maps with couple of damage mods hit harder than Vaal Smash without damage mods. Evasion is overall better for elemental damage, both spells (if you have spell dodge) and attacks. But comparing elemental with physical doesn't cut it, the 75%+ maximum elemental resists are on the armour versions too, and that alone mitigates most of the damage, while evasion takes full or almost full physical damage, and therefore are prone to one shots, which I stated in the begining. EDIT on your edit: Since I'm a tank, that's not coming into consideration. Last edited by tinko92#6447 on Jan 31, 2014, 4:54:26 AM
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tinko will not, ever, make any concession to evasion because his mindset is that if you aren't walking around with "real" DR you're going to get killed.
It's not worth trying to convince him otherwise. People have tried, for a long time. IGN - PlutoChthon, Talvathir
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" Yeah, a pile of bullshit you wrote here, sorry. Until someone proves that there is no one-shot proneness with evasion build, I'll stick to it. The mathematics is clear, personal opinions are irrelevant. |
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Tinko back at it again. I found it surprising to learn that he didn't even know how evasion worked with entropy, nor did he know that it was rolled twice against crits. He has also never played a high level evasion melee character.
Tinko - you may know a lot about armor, but I just lol when I see you posting about evasion because you clearly have no experience & knowledge on evasion. Last edited by Ceryneian#3541 on Jan 31, 2014, 8:44:13 AM
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I don't know what you have access to for gear but mediocre armor is much more viable than mediocre evasion.
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"Mediocre armour does jack-shit against anything that deals threatening damage. Been there. Done that. Every acrobatics chaarcter I've ever made has performed better defensively in almost every situation than any ar character. Except maybe my "I took 300% life" marauder. But that's because 300% life. Not armour. IGN - PlutoChthon, Talvathir
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" How does that have to do with anything? Before I found out that, I wasn't saying evasion sucks or anything, I was asking for a video, a proof, that it's better than armour in terms of tanking, what was being discussed there. And in the end, it's proved that evasion is far less effective. Are you saying that evasion isn't prone to one shots? Which is all about here. |
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