Regardind the Standard League and the Hardcore league

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xahanort wrote:

My take on this business? they should just delete standard and hardcore league. Why? they are pretty useless. People don't want to play when their characters gets deleted? well too bad. Most people play nemesis and domination. You can say "Oh but some people like standard because they dont have the time to restart". Well, I know married man and woman who have kids who play nemesis or domination. Why? Because they are overall better leagues. The "standard has better economy" is bullshit. Just delete those leagues, all they cause is trouble.

The only bullshit is what you just spouted. The only people who say otherwise are those who want to sell vendor trash items to other players for high prices to amass wealth.

The trading scene in the four month leagues is equivalent to a night market in a third world country. Everyone is selling shitty low quality gear. The only positive thing you can say about it is that it is cheap.

Besides that aspect of the issue temporary leagues are worthless beyond their use to beta test features for standard league. No one with any concept of time management wants to restart over and over again. You and your fellow hamsters are more than willing to run in your little wheels over and over but people who value what they have already accomplished in this game don't have a desire to do that.

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xahanort wrote:

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rjt197197 wrote:

i wonder if anyone realises that exalts in nemesis go for 30 chaos each whereas they go for 20 each in standard.

i also wonder if anyone in this thread actually knows what inflation means.

Lol, but bringers go for 15 exalts whilst in nemesis they go for 8. Your point is wrong.

BoR's don't go for 15 ex, maybe top rolled that are few percent from perfect.

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xahanort wrote:

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rjt197197 wrote:

i wonder if anyone realises that exalts in nemesis go for 30 chaos each whereas they go for 20 each in standard.

i also wonder if anyone in this thread actually knows what inflation means.

Lol, but bringers go for 15 exalts whilst in nemesis they go for 8. Your point is wrong.

Lol, but bringers actually go for 10-11 exalts whilst in nemesis they go for 8. Your point is wrong.

11/8 = 1.375, 30/20 = 1.5. Bringers are CHEAPER on standard.

Good god Fluffy you've been defending your league for like the past 8 pages lol

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RulerofAsgard wrote:

Spoiler

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adania wrote:

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RulerofAsgard wrote:

The quote to which you are referring is at least a year old, and thus way, way out of date. Back then, we had what, maybe 200k active players at best (being very optimistic)? Now we have 1.6 million active players, which would mean that several mirrors are dropping per server per day. Combined with aggressive item flipping, it's not unlikely that a few people are amassing huge wealth completely legitimately.

whoa whoa whoa! 1.6mill?

Chris said on release the player base was slightly higher than 70k he predicted.. so 1.6m is quite a leap lol

As it stands right now, you're looking at maybe 50k active players maximum, most likely more around 25-30k.

Here's the thread (From December 1, 2013) that states we have 1.6 million active players:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/667888

Unfortunately, there is no actual definition of what an "active player" is. Active player could mean anything from a player logging on the forums or in game within the last 30 days or a player that is actually playing at the moment. We don't know.

In reality, "active users" (or in this case, "active players") is just another marketing (or trick) that promotes and elevates a company's product to create more interest. Without knowing how "active users" is actually determined and seeing graphs that can be objectively viewed, you should take things with a grain of salt.

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I_NO wrote:

Good god Fluffy you've been defending your league for like the past 8 pages lol

I do it because somebody had to. I have not seen a single valid point against standard league. Most of the arguments against it are either ignorant or deliberate falsehoods.

The last guy I quoted seriously suggested the removal of the permanent leagues. Everyone who read that should have jumped on him for being as crazy as the SF fanatics but didn't.

Standard is not the most played league, the devs have said so.

Alt f4 is intentional, and can be used in Standard.

But we DO need an option to actually RIP rather than RIIIIIP BACK 2 SCRUBCOREZZZ

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Fluffy_Puppies wrote:

I have not seen a single valid point against standard league.

For a simple reason: there IS no valid point out there against. With the attitude of "what I dont need, dont have to exist", a lot of possibilities and features look useless: some dont "need" race events, some dont care about temporary leagues; I would neither need any kind of pvp nor all that guild crap (at least in its useless actually form)... ^^

@fire_kid: I can delete my chars on my own, if "needed"/desired, but I think they could add a switch for 'permadeath' for the hc league(s) - but they should take the ghosts away from the ranking count (for all corpses, not just permadeathes)

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DeltaZer0 wrote:

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RulerofAsgard wrote:

Here's the thread (From December 1, 2013) that states we have 1.6 million active players:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/667888

Unfortunately, there is no actual definition of what an "active player" is. Active player could mean anything from a player logging on the forums or in game within the last 30 days or a player that is actually playing at the moment. We don't know.

We KNOW (to some degree); if you just had read the very first paragraph in the linked posting... It stats 50k of active POSTERS as 3% of the players base: so these 1.7 mill CAN NOT just log into the forum from time to time, these all are different accounts logged into the GAME...
Of course its also a 'bit' of marketing; you cant determine how many of this are multi-accounts, nor how many just stand in town and trade or chat... There's also no clarification about the timeline for 'activity', but we know from earlier statements that POE has around 40~70k simultaneous players (logged in, no matter what they do), so that I assume for the full circle of time zones that at least 350...500k players use the client daily.

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Mr_Cee wrote:

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DeltaZer0 wrote:

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RulerofAsgard wrote:

Here's the thread (From December 1, 2013) that states we have 1.6 million active players:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/667888

Unfortunately, there is no actual definition of what an "active player" is. Active player could mean anything from a player logging on the forums or in game within the last 30 days or a player that is actually playing at the moment. We don't know.

We KNOW (to some degree); if you just had read the very first paragraph in the linked posting... It stats 50k of active POSTERS as 3% of the players base: so these 1.7 mill CAN NOT just log into the forum from time to time, these all are different accounts logged into the GAME...
Of course its also a 'bit' of marketing; you cant determine how many of this are multi-accounts, nor how many just stand in town and trade or chat... There's also no clarification about the timeline for 'activity', but we know from earlier statements that POE has around 40~70k simultaneous players (logged in, no matter what they do), so that I assume for the full circle of time zones that at least 350...500k players use the client daily.

"Active" land mines can sit in the earth for hundreds of years, as well as "active" volcanoes. The definition of active is vague at best. If he said "actively using" or "average of weekly activity" that would be more well defined. Even if 50k different people have posted at least 1 time on these forums since CB, it would come as a surprise.