Regardind the Standard League and the Hardcore league

we´ve 1.6million active players ?!

PoE had an active decline of players since release and continues to decline due to problems we´re all aware of pointing out on a daily basis yet GGG continues to ignore them adding useless shit but i wont even go there because devs read what they want to read and they take big pride in their game rightfully but your claim makes me want to google and pull out graphs like a madman while foaming at the mouth how redicoulus 1.6mil ACTIVE "PLAYERS" sound.

if by active players you mean bots then sure but the actual playerbase is way smaller then that.

edit: 259,019 555,387 Dota 2
31,977 57,089 Team Fortress 2
27,407 44,481 Sid Meier's Civilization V
26,728 94,008 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
25,930 48,406 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
18,351 28,750 Rust
16,851 33,125 Garry's Mod
14,307 33,250 DayZ
14,009 25,331 Left 4 Dead 2
12,993 71,702 Football Manager 2014

games from steam most played multiplayer games of ONE day
Name Current Players 30-Day Avg. 30-Day Gain 30-Day % Gain
"Path of Exile 7,503 9,333.5 -1,032.0 -9.96%"
Steamgraph telling us basically game is bleeding out JUST in steam now take into account the ammount of people we´ve no actual idea of because GGG is being as secretive with it as vendor recipes - IF im mistaken PLS CORRECT ME WITH FACTS NOT HEARSAY. moving on -

"Everything you wanted from Diablo 3
PC Gamer Magazine October 2013 "

"http://i.imgur.com/e5DPb.jpg" this one is diablo3 2013 decline for example looks familiar ?
"Path of Exile 8,301 Current Players"

So basically since release with steam greenlight PoE has received a stable 8k influx approximately of players JUST from steam.

I´d like some GGG graphs of their total sum playercount but that´s most likely not going to happen i guess ?

Anyway some fun links in addition and while my "charts" that i googled may seem biased i can nowhere in hell find the 1,6mil players nor even active players even on steam if it were like it is sposed to what youre saying then it should be a few hundred kay and not lets say 30-40k tops (rough assumption since i DONT HAVE THE ACTUAL DATA HILARIOUS ISNT IT)

http://games.on.net/2013/05/path-of-exile-launches-an-au-gateway-we-talk-to-grinding-gear-about-bandwidth-costs-lag-and-more/

"So the game is launching around September with Act 4 coming 9-12 months after that. I bet AU players are happy to get their own server."
"http://games.on.net/2013/05/path-of-exile-launches-an-au-gateway-we-talk-to-grinding-gear-about-bandwidth-costs-lag-and-more/"

"bandwith costs lag" okay whatever that means

"Supposedly 2 million accounts have been created (granted a lot of them by multiboxers or for extra stash tabs). During the first week of OB they said they were having 70k concurrent users, but that was the only time they released concurrent numbers. It's an impressive amount for a studio of 20 people."

There this is all i can come up with right now after 7 minutes of googling

Im not provoking anyone but pls refrain from making hilarious claims
A lot of props and respect to GGG but pls dont hype the game on the forum when its not in a state of hype but a critical state of playerbasedecline

THE MAIN PROBLEM IM SEEING are droprates being tied so closely to active players that the less we will have over time the harder it will get and the more frustrating it will become to progress the more will cave in to botting (silly assumption) the more will QUIT because NO1 to TRADE to THAT HAS WHAT YOU WANT WHICH ISNT ilvl68

Now there will be 5 to 10 K people probably saying " I dont trade at all " fine you will hit the wall sooner or later where you either start trading or reroll because "muh build"

ANYWAY googleheroism aside , i want to be proven wrong claiming that the game is bleeding out to becoming very niche.

I played many nichegames and i see this pattern over and over again.
First there is the hellbent defenseforce being ignorant and blinded with love towards the game reacting personally to any attacks TOWARDS THE GAME.
I understand the passion and i share it but im also very critical regarding things which i love thus i react allergic to bullshit regarding the game which is simply not true and lieing with a straight face "MANY DONT EVEN USE THE FORUM LEL" ye they use reddit and even there its around 50k people.

So we combine reddit steamplayers weve around lets say 60k active redditors and steamers combined of whom we dont know how many are steamusers and websiteusers.

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y-QFqRHoPM" - Athene interview with Chris very long 50minutes almost talking about everything havent finished listening to it yet myself am on it as im typing this wall of text.

Back to the MAIN REASON WHY THE GAME IS BLEEDING it´s KNOWN since OB even CB.
DESYNC SERVERISSUES
RNG SYSTEM
GAMBLING ORB OF X FLAWED SYSTEM
BOTTING
3rd PARTY WEBSITES (Chris primary responsibility this year he claims himself in the interview getting better any day) We´ve seen progress in this ! less and less botspam daily.
MAPS BEING UNREWARDING MOSTLY AND STILL DROPPING VERY LOW REQ LVL UNIQUES (araku tiki ignomon goldrim just to name a few)

These are my feelings towards the game , i want to love it i want to praise but i just cant anymore and have to lean back waiting for further updates regarding the game if they attack these very problems perceived by me and the majority of the people being on a break or playing less then they used to.

Im done for now - i want this game to improve not to die just to be clear if youve a brain the size of a peanut (not aimed at anyone but potential trolls trying to bait)

good luck and have fun everyone remember to wreck every crate and open every stash leave no skeleton behind on maps (9 out of 10 times theyve the map i sware on me mum)

Just do what most (sane) people do...re-roll to the ladder leagues or to HC/Nem.



I spent years on standard amassing tons and tons of items and wealth but after playing nemesis I have decided to completely abandon all of that to play on the hardcore ladders and the hardcore league.


It was very surprisingly easy to sell off (or atleast im in the process of doing so) all my stuff on standard despite spending literally years accumulating it.

What is 'bad' about the Standard economy?

"Because Alt F4 is intentional, devs have said so."
Well then make like in "Realm of The Mad God". It is a permadeath game which have a hotkey to instant teleport you to town. Make a hotkey to istant log out. If it is intentional why only those few with macros can take proper advantage of it?

"99% of deaths in HC are instant."
I'm aware of that, i'm also aware that ALT+F4 saves characters every day, maybe that % would drop a bit if no alt+f4? just maybe? Some people run pots on F1,F2,F3,F4 lol... it takes 1 seconds to log off. I know, and you know, that many characters were/are saved by alt+F4 no matter how hard people try to deny.

"Standard is is a year worth of duped orbs"
If they can dupe in standard i don't see why they wouldn't dupe in HC leagues... unless you've used "dupe" with another meaning.

"Just stop playing the game then."
People can't wish/ask for a better game/improvements? Take it or leave it? Nice way to deal with customers.

"I play Domination"
Feb 23 you will be playing standard. I know some people like to reroll over and over, but other people like to stick with 1 char.

"Alt F4 actually prevent TONS of items to make their way to the graveyard. Your post makes no sense."
It is a fact it does... not sure why people try so hard to deny that.

"What is 'bad' about the Standard economy?"
There is no real money sink in this game. You may spend some of your currency crafting, but you reach a point (which doesn't take long) that you just acumulate currency. That alone is already "bad" for a game economy. In addition there is an external factor (hc/nemesis items/currency that end up in standard) which makes it worse.

I also see some people like "i don't care about legacy and economy... i just play my game". That sounds a bit autistic. Since it makes no difference to you maybe you should go play a solo game then, no desync and 0 ping

Reading all comments i just see more and more comments like "standard league doesn't matter...". Standard league is the most active league, the one wiht most players (customers) why woudln't it matter?

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pelife123 wrote:

Standard league is the most active league

Unless it's drastically changed since I last saw something from Chris about player distribution Domination is the most active league. From memory so it's an 'ish, half on Dom. Nemesis and standard were on par and HC was the place for lonely souls.

edit: It may have changed, I don't know.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

So your next step is to convince me (and I figure it's not hard) that there are people out there with, let's start with 100 mirrors on one account. If you have a link to a trading thread, or a brag thread...anything, that'd ensure this topic becomes a sticking point for me.

Screenshots are not sufficient, however. I want to see 'verified' and multiple stacks. One account. Please.

Not only can you see screenshots, but if you're clever enough you can actually watch videos of someone doing it. I'm sure it's against a forum guideline for me to link it here, but you're a smart guy, so I'm sure you can figure it out.

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RulerofAsgard wrote:

The quote to which you are referring is at least a year old, and thus way, way out of date. Back then, we had what, maybe 200k active players at best (being very optimistic)? Now we have 1.6 million active players, which would mean that several mirrors are dropping per server per day. Combined with aggressive item flipping, it's not unlikely that a few people are amassing huge wealth completely legitimately.

1.6 million active players?! Show me where you are seeing that lol. Also, I'd be willing to bet(just an assumption) that there were more players on a year ago than the 6 months leading up to full release, so there would in fact be even less Mirrors. Like I told the other guy, if you are even remotely internet savvy you can watch the videos yourself.

The surprising thing to me is that there are people here who still don't thinking duping is going on. People have been doing this in pc gaming for decades. Even pay to play games by multi billion dollar companies like WoW had people hacking and botting constantly. This isn't the old Diablo 2 days of everyone having a hack and dumping out a bunch of .08 Valors. There is a lot more money to be had now, and duping items instead of currency would kill the cash cow. Meh whatever just watch the videos.

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pelife123 wrote:

most HC players end up making new HC characters when they die, so why don't you guys just erase their character (along with their gear)

Just a simple 'hint': there are people that take part in race events, but feel more like 'home' in Non-HC leagues beside this... WHY should these be more punished than the 'others' (if there were no way to continue playing with chars/equipments which are transfered to HC?
Its just a ridiculous idea to demand such behaviour - from the kind the leagues are interacting generally in POE.

News flash: standard actually has the best economy for cheaply gearing new characters. Your thread is invalid.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

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nGio wrote:

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

So your next step is to convince me (and I figure it's not hard) that there are people out there with, let's start with 100 mirrors on one account. If you have a link to a trading thread, or a brag thread...anything, that'd ensure this topic becomes a sticking point for me.

Screenshots are not sufficient, however. I want to see 'verified' and multiple stacks. One account. Please.

Not only can you see screenshots, but if you're clever enough you can actually watch videos of someone doing it. I'm sure it's against a forum guideline for me to link it here, but you're a smart guy, so I'm sure you can figure it out.

Feel free to PM it. I'm not going to go looking for evidence that supports *your* argument; that's your job, or have you never presented a serious argument before?

I have, and I know when you do, it's your onus to convince the other person by presenting evidence.

I'm a smart guy like that.

I'm also a connected guy, so it really is in your best interest to convince me. I don't know if I can be any less subtle here for you.

And as I've said before, I do not advocate cheating of any kind, nor would I violate any of GGG's policies by posting or pm'ing you links to any kind of misconduct. Another thing I'm not going to do is respond to your posts anymore, because of your snide and adolescent comments. When you grow up, and you can have a mature conversation without condescending me then I will consider responding to your future posts. With your condescension of others you come off as an arrogant elitist and a brat. I hope that in the future you will avoid further attacks on me, and have a good night sir.

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Mr_Cee wrote:

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pelife123 wrote:

most HC players end up making new HC characters when they die, so why don't you guys just erase their character (along with their gear)

Just a simple 'hint': there are people that take part in race events, but feel more like 'home' in Non-HC leagues beside this... WHY should these be more punished than the 'others' (if there were no way to continue playing with chars/equipments which are transfered to HC?
Its just a ridiculous idea to demand such behaviour - from the kind the leagues are interacting generally in POE.

Well I guess that is why there are the non HC 4 month leagues.

I recently switched to Standard and have since then enjoyed the heck out of it. I couldn't care less if some guy at the top of the ladder is throwing 500 etarnals at stuff to craft perfect gear. I play with other people who also don't care and we are having fun.

The problem in this game is not the trash leagues but hardcore player retention due to freakish balance and unfair/ unpredictable damage scaling that is responsible for many very frustrating deaths and many people leaving for non HC leagues. If you think that you can logout anytime anything bad happens think again. Better players with better gear and better macros have died in just a fraction of a second. The instant logout system allows for a tighter gameplay and I fully support it simply because riskier gameplay is a lot of fun in hardcore and is one of the main reasons that keeps players there but it is not a failsafe like many people believe.

When it comes to bots logging people out automatically: Well if they want to ruin their hardcore experience or are playing only for the gain. let them.