D3 vs Poe: Which has worse itemization?

Even with my rose-tinted glasses on,i remember doing hundreads of runs before anything important dropped in D2 and you didnt had the steady income of orbs we have here,gold was very dull and unrewarding.

as if really players are complaining that remember old d2 days. And if they should feel pretty dumb right? Item Nazis will never be happy.

And to get this out and GGG knows this ofc too. If PoE goes full out on items people will just complain about the next thing. For sure people will start, and it will be the same people, bitching that they have to press the mouse buttons to move and attack. Please GGG remove this shit its not rewarding blablabla

If people can handle such a game -> their is your Sony/MS console store with the right games from EA that will take your hand and leed you to the end without you having to show skill, think or even know what you are doing. And the best, if you are done...the next AAA Title for 60 bugs is waiting. Because they know that the last title had just a playtime for 2-5 hours.

ps: jesus they already gave such people their pseudo content called achievement so that they can work on something. Or didnt they?

The only dumb thing here it's you. Most of the complaints on forum doesn't come from casual noobs not capable to handle this game. I'm sure most of the "whiners" have more experience than you and invested much more time in playing it, than you, according to your account. You don't even understand what it's all about, according to your post.

We just want improvements, for good. And when there's nothing significant, we shout it loud.

I have started with Silver, a game you never played and you'll never know. Don't throw the console shit in my face. Thanks.

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NekoHanten wrote:

there is no auction house why is this game so hard?...

Q_Q

but seriously the one thing i love about this game is that ive managed to build whole chars out of gear that ive found all by myself, believe it or not i get more excited about finding a good rare than a good uniq mainly becos finding a good rare in d3 never happened for me also becos getting certain mods on items as a drop is way more rewarding for me at least. ive found 2 kaoms and sold them both but i still kept my self found rares, funny that.

Hey look, the guy that found the most expensive piece of gear in the game, TWICE, thinks that itemization is fine.

Self found...yeah and my mom is a virgin.

I have played a 100% self found Dual wield dual strike IR scion up to 75 so far. I've found plenty of upgrades and even crafted(alched + prayed) decent gear. I never found a single upgrade for any of my characters in Diablo3 past nightmare difficulty, and I played that game for 200+ hours.

I'd say this games itemization is much better than Diablo3's. Diablo3's real problem was the fact that pretty much your entire character was tied to a single item and stat - your weapon's DPS. You NEEDED a high DPS weapon to do anything in that game, and it was extremely hard to find decent weapons in that game.

While the itemization might be much better in this game than Diablo 3's, I still think drops might be too random in some aspects. Finding or crafting a good physical damage weapon is extremely difficult. Finding or crafting a good magic damage weapon is even worse, I'd say impossible because of the fact that all caster weapons are "hybrid". I think they should add a recipe to craft decent caster/physical weapons because I don't think I'll ever find a weapon upgrade at this point, I've been using that hammer since level 62 when I found it. The weapon is pretty amazing though, 213 DPS.

I'd really like some advice on how I can upgrade my weapons because I've tried the rustic sash recipe and unless I get EXTREMELY lucky on the augment and roll attack speed I'm never upgrading from that hammer using that recipe, and I'd have to just find high ilvl weapons and alch them over and over and pray, which is what I've been doing for other pieces of gear and it's worked out nicely but I'm afraid to do that for a weapon when they can roll so many different mods that won't benefit me at all. If my other pieces of gear roll something like chaos resist or accuracy/all stats etc I can make it work. pretty much any stat not thorns/HP regen/INT/DEX work, and there's a much smaller mod pool on armor with only a very few "useless" mods.

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gr00grams wrote:

Why don't we just give everyone all the items in the game, and be done with it.

Seriously. It's like gamers of today cannot handle a random roll Diablo clone anymore.
No one has the patience in this 'me me me me' gamer generation. If you're not winning in less than half an hour, something is fucking broken, and the shit-winds start blowing Randy.

Either accept it, or go play something like Borderlands which lets you dupe and cheat your face off if you want a game where you have all the best items in 20 minutes.

The threads are endless.

So clearly Korean MMO's with their shitty grind systems are panned by critics everywhere for no particular reason..

hue hue



edit: PoE has better itemization mainly because they outsourced the development to BrotherLaz, but since players are never going to find it, its worse than D3.

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torturo wrote:

I don't know what you are talking about either.
The last time I was on D2 I built a 94 HC zealot with Famine and Fortitude in less than a month. Had every unique in game, except SOJ, Tyrael's and Grandfather. I've found 2 x Ber, excluding the Jah, Ohm and Sol I used for crafting. Not to mention the lower ones. All self found. Never gathered sets, sets are for noobs. It was on 1.13. Yes, as I remeber, rune drops were harsh before 1.11, so what. Uniques still constantly dropped.

But it's not the point. What's more important, I had fun during process of grinding and leveling. And you always were rewarded there, in terms of items, if you spent time. Constant progression and items upgrades. Play time was not wasted, like in PoE. Good enough rare/unique items, useful even in mid/lategame, were quite common. Not 99% vendor trash like in PoE. Never tried to sell items with a filthy rich expression on my face, as there was no reason to do it. I had what I needed. Self found. But I played a H&S ARPG, not a damn trading simulator. In a difference of PoE.

Same for TL.

And at least both D2 and TL didn't have the pretensions in itemization PoE has, though they did it better with quite simplified systems.


BTW better change the approach, I've played the shit out of both D2 and TL, I know their pros and cons quite well, there's no need of "LOLz", "do you even lift", question and exclamation marks, etc. childish bullshit.

Yes, i played mostly 1.09-1.12 Maybe, they really improved rune drop drastically in 1.13, but believe me, before it, getting high-level rune like Ber equaled to getting Shavronne or Kaom in PoE.

Uniques dropped, but high-level ones didnt dropped often either. The best unique 2-hander i got was StormSpire, and believe me, it wasnt powerful enough to reroll my wind-druid into feral.

Oh, forgot to mention.... D2 also has a "path of life nodes", i mean, attribute allocation. Every free attribute point should be spent for vitality (except those spent for prequisite stats like strength and dexterity, or dexterity to cap block). Well, with exception of two builds - kick asassin and ES sorceress.

The main difference between PoE and D2 is that in D2 certain build are VERY gear-independant and can reach great endgame power with really shitty gear (like wind druid, hammerdin or variety of sorceress builds). Others (like Zealot paladin) will experience serious troubles if undergeared, same as melees in PoE. And to be honest, PoE isnt harder to beat (i mean the game, not map system) with melee, that D2. From my own experience.

Casters are a bit flawed in PoE, i should admit. Spells are quite weak in early game, and in late game, you need level 20 gem which take shitloads of time to level up, and that's stupid. For melees, level 20 gems dont give much benefit, thus long leveling isnt a problem, but for casters, it IS a problem!

In every ARPG, no matter how high or low droprates are, certain amount of items dropped (95-99%, at least) will always be vendor trash. Raise droprates, and better items will be considered trash, while game became easier. Nerf droprates, and worse items will be considered good enough to keep, while game became harder.
You will find upgrades with any droprates...

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torturo wrote:

We just want improvements, for good. And when there's nothing significant, we shout it loud.

No the game is playable. Thats the reality. You dont have to trade to kill piety, to farm at piety gear and a map pool to start mapping. You can do all fine it will just take time. I dont say its perfect but its playable and it works fine. And thats the most important part about it.

dont to mention group play...right?

This is just a thread by item nazis. That somehow think they should be rewarded for playing x amount of time. And they got because they enjoyed playing it but obvious thats not enough. And for that people that dont have the patience, are such hard item nazis there is a thing called trading.

The more funny ones think they have to compete with our powerhouses in this game. And they think with better gear they could compete. What ofc is wrong but they dont see it. And the best point is, this game is already providing a way to compete with others on a regular base. In short or long term too.

Mature people acting like babys, thats all. You act like boys that date a girl, pay food and maybe cinema and dont get laid. And start bitching about it in public. In front of her and the whole city. Thats all and ofc the item nazis dont want to see it. And its much easier to blame the game then yourself. And the nr1 problem for this game is the bitching community.

Serious just play. I found things that I never believed to see. When my Vaal chest map dropped I was really happy. Did not expect to see it at all, never bitched in forums that this thing does not drop.

And I know its a waste of time to argue with item nazis. Like with the real one ^^. But its fun for me.

ps: and its not like GGG does not listen, they improved the 4link drops that made this game so much easier.

lol

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tadl wrote:

This is just a thread by item nazis. That somehow think they should be rewarded for playing x amount of time. And they got because they enjoyed playing it but obvious thats not enough. And for that people that dont have the patience, are such hard item nazis there is a thing called trading.

The more funny ones think they have to compete with our powerhouses in this game. And they think with better gear they could compete. What ofc is wrong but they dont see it. And the best point is, this game is already providing a way to compete with others on a regular base. In short or long term too.

Mature people acting like babys, thats all. You act like boys that date a girl, pay food and maybe cinema and dont get laid. And start bitching about it in public. In front of her and the whole city. Thats all and ofc the item nazis dont want to see it. And its much easier to blame the game then yourself. And the nr1 problem for this game is the bitching community.

Oh mate, you made my day.