D3 vs Poe: Which has worse itemization?

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sluz wrote:

how can you call it hard, when there are faceroll builds that arent even that expensive, couple of ex (or exes, i dont want that baboon paulson breathing down my neck) and bam, you faceroll shit with 50k dps.
if by hard you mean, getting things to work that arent cookie cutter, or op, i.e getting offcolors with 12k chromes, and similar shit, then yes its hard. its also dumb

hmm faceroll builds that facerolling the entire game plus maps till 78 with insane mods?

really? if you find me that build that destroys everything and i mean EVERYTHING in the game at solo, then i'll quit PoE ;)

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vaskov17 wrote:

No and No

Lowering the odds of getting good items through drops and crafting doesn't make a 'HARD AS F**K' game

The reason why D3 feels more arcade/console is because it has more active skills that require more player input than simply AOE attack/single target attack/curse which is what POE is. There is a lot more timing required in D3 to be successful and there are more defensive options requiring input from the player.

so you think PoE is attack/single target attack/curse? LoL ... no offence bro but quitting the discussion with you sorry :)

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Kechop wrote:

So d3 had release a way worse itemization and the AH was the primal part of it (droprates bound to AH to keep "economy" stable)

The developers are making the same mistake here , they want a friggin economy
What for ?
Why ?
What is the purpose of an economy inside of a game ?
Why should i be afflicted by the economy ?
Why should i participate in the economy ?
Why should droprates be low to keep the economy stable ?
What is the reason for the economy to be stable at all ?
The real answer is RMT and botting.
these 2 semidestroyed and enlargened D3 itempool and gold.
The same can be seen in PoE with incredible ammount of exalts eternals divines mirrors on standart.

Itemization is not drop rates and how they are balanced (around an economy or not), so many people, including the OP, are misconfusing all this.

The way legendaries work in D3 breaks itemization over its knee. Also, set items are the worst kind of design in the world.

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sammuelsedai wrote:

Was curious what other people who played both games thought about it.

That's the reason I stopped playing PoE.

Either your items are crap or you need to be one of the flippers on the market to buy something for endgame.

D3 at launch was on par with POE for worst itemization ever. Once they fixed the massive gear check of Act 2 inferno, and people were allowed to farm past that...things leveled out a bit.

Both games have very...very..few combinations of affixes on gear that are worth a damn.

Both games flood you with top tier gear (uniques/legendaries) that are total vendor trash.

Both games force you to hit up the AH if you want gear.

Both games have protected economies, with globally low drop rates, to ensure pro farmers and bots don't flood the game with cheap BIS items...meaning you as a normal Joe can forget about ever getting good drops less you win the lottery in game. Leading to unrewarding gameplay.

POE has right now the harder gear checks, meaning you need to trade to get past a certain point, at least in D3 you can farm at level cap and hope for endgame gear. POE wont even let you into mid game gear levels without a hefty exalted down payment.

So really its a choice between fitting in with the elitist hardcore try hards or dealing with no desync...pick your crap itemization game with unrewarding farming.

Its really sad what these games have become, all because of trading.

I personally have played both games. I have logged about 250 hours into D3. D3 was my first dungeon crawler game. I have never played any before and I thought D3 was fun, for a little bit. I think D3 had worse Itemization. You really can't base a build around an item in D3 like you can in POE

Then I played POE, and I have to say I can't even go back to playing D3. Comparing the two I think D3 lacks in a lot of ways compared to POE.

First with D3 I felt very constricted on my choice of play style. The skills are lackluster and the fighting was so so. Boss fights were simple with very little action, you may have to move once in awhile, sometime not at all because you could just buy good gear off the AH.

With POE I make a new character and am able to experiment with builds tailored around my play style. Even if the build doesn't work it was still fun to try something new. There are a lot of build options you can do with this game, that is one of the biggest reason I love this game.

Second, I though D3 skills sucked, to me none really played off each other very well. Yeah you can manipulate them in a small way but doesn't really change the outcome a whole lot. With POE I love the skill gems, being able to combine gems to make powerful skills once again tailored around the build you are wanting to play.

Finally the difficulty. D3 was a joke, I found it very easy with very little rewards. There is no penalty for dying (other than HC) and just no fun. With POE the game is a lot harder. I remember when I first fought the last boss, I was raging to hard because I could not kill him. (I had a ranger with like 400 Hp and no Resistance) I obviously realized that my character was just god awful. And that was just on normal. D3 was a joke, while POE provided that challenge I was looking for in D3.

All in all D3 restricted you to a few different play styles, POE opens up a door that allows you to create almost any kind of build you can think of. The difficulty of the two games also played a huge part in why I decided to play POE over D3. That's what separates the two games in my opinion.

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Greedyjew wrote:

I personally have played both games. I have logged about 250 hours into D3. D3 was my first dungeon crawler game. I have never played any before and I thought D3 was fun, for a little bit.

Then I played POE, and I have to say I can't even go back to playing D3. Comparing the two I think D3 lacks in a lot of ways compared to POE.

First with D3 I felt very constricted on my choice of play style. The skills are lackluster and the fighting was so so. Boss fights were simple with very little action, you may have to move once in awhile, sometime not at all because you could just buy good gear off the AH.

With POE I make a new character and am able to experiment with builds tailored around my play style. Even if the build doesn't work it was still fun to try something new. There are a lot of build options you can do with this game, that is one of the biggest reason I love this game.

Second, I though D3 skills sucked, to me none really played off each other very well. Yeah you can manipulate them in a small way but doesn't really change the outcome a whole lot. With POE I love the skill gems, being able to combine gems to make powerful skills once again tailored around the build you are wanting to play.

Finally the difficulty. D3 was a joke, I found it very easy with very little rewards. There is no penalty for dying (other than HC) and just no fun. With POE the game is a lot harder. I remember when I first fought the last boss, I was raging to hard because I could not kill him. (I had a ranger with like 400 Hp and no Resistance) I obviously realized that my character was just god awful. And that was just on normal. D3 was a joke, while POE provided that challenge I was looking for in D3.

All in all D3 restricted you to a few different play styles, POE opens up a door that allows you to create almost any kind of build you can think of. The difficulty of the two games also played a huge part in why I decided to play POE over D3. That's what separates the two games in my opinion.

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CapitalPunishment wrote:

D3 at launch was on par with POE for worst itemization ever. Once they fixed the massive gear check of Act 2 inferno, and people were allowed to farm past that...things leveled out a bit.

Both games have very...very..few combinations of affixes on gear that are worth a damn.

Both games flood you with top tier gear (uniques/legendaries) that are total vendor trash.

Both games force you to hit up the AH if you want gear.

Both games have protected economies, with globally low drop rates, to ensure pro farmers and bots don't flood the game with cheap BIS items...meaning you as a normal Joe can forget about ever getting good drops less you win the lottery in game. Leading to unrewarding gameplay.

POE has right now the harder gear checks, meaning you need to trade to get past a certain point, at least in D3 you can farm at level cap and hope for endgame gear. POE wont even let you into mid game gear levels without a hefty exalted down payment.

So really its a choice between fitting in with the elitist hardcore try hards or dealing with no desync...pick your crap itemization game with unrewarding farming.

Its really sad what these games have become, all because of trading.

What builds have a "hefty exalted downpayment" to crack level 80+? Even in standard you can get leveling gear that will put you over that hump for at most 1-2 exalts.

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TheTenthDoc wrote:

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CapitalPunishment wrote:

D3 at launch was on par with POE for worst itemization ever. Once they fixed the massive gear check of Act 2 inferno, and people were allowed to farm past that...things leveled out a bit.

Both games have very...very..few combinations of affixes on gear that are worth a damn.

Both games flood you with top tier gear (uniques/legendaries) that are total vendor trash.

Both games force you to hit up the AH if you want gear.

Both games have protected economies, with globally low drop rates, to ensure pro farmers and bots don't flood the game with cheap BIS items...meaning you as a normal Joe can forget about ever getting good drops less you win the lottery in game. Leading to unrewarding gameplay.

POE has right now the harder gear checks, meaning you need to trade to get past a certain point, at least in D3 you can farm at level cap and hope for endgame gear. POE wont even let you into mid game gear levels without a hefty exalted down payment.

So really its a choice between fitting in with the elitist hardcore try hards or dealing with no desync...pick your crap itemization game with unrewarding farming.

Its really sad what these games have become, all because of trading.

What builds have a "hefty exalted downpayment" to crack level 80+? Even in standard you can get leveling gear that will put you over that hump for at most 1-2 exalts.

Hefty exalted down payment is one. Took me a year of farming to get enough non exalted orbs to equal the price of (I think it was three)...because I have yet to see one of those orbs on the ground. Which is great when its the standard currency of the game.

I don't mind that some builds require those super expensive items that only RMT participants can afford. But for average play, even getting your yellow items up to par can cost an arm and a leg of self found orbs...on top of the fact its nearly impossible to bargain with people in this game, im sure im on many trader ignore lists for offering half my wealth for a few rares with decent resist rolls and a phys damage on it.

I cant think of anything other than total garbage that wasn't being sold for at least 1 ex.

Glad to know D3 has itemization.
In my 400+ hours play in D3 I found it non-exist.