Not offering a full respec is a bad design choice.

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Joyrock101 wrote:

Rolling a new character isn't fixing it. You shouldn't HAVE to restart because you didn't do notable research; that IS punishing, and it IS bad design.

This isn't meant to "fix it", this is called: "Replayability".

Deal with it.

I don't get how requiring players to reroll is bad design. Bad design is making a character that you have to reroll. Can someone explain this to me? I see no design flaw here. You only declare it bad design because you, of the farmville generation, like instant gratification. You need to be weened off of D3's horrid skill system, that's all.

In my opinion, bad design is allowing respecs because then there is no replayability to the class you're playing. Let's say you level up an attack speed duelist. OK, done. Now you have free respecs, so if you want you can just change him to any other build you want for free or at least easily. That kills class replayability. I used to have three duelists. Now where's the point in that in a world of respecs? Orbs of Regret are generally more than enough for most people.

I doubt "replayability" will increase due to a lack of respecs. Getting frustrated (and, yes, angry) at inflexible character progression does not encourage a player to reroll.

I agree with the OP. Other similar games have respecs for good reason.

EDIT: Why not add a respec league? I reckon that would be a popular league.

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Joyrock101 wrote:

Rolling a new character isn't fixing it. You shouldn't HAVE to restart because you didn't do notable research; that IS punishing, and it IS bad design. Yes, it does need to be there, and NO, having a one time option would NOT stop people from rolling new characters, and even if it did, so fucking what? If people don't want to roll new characters, they shouldn't have to, as it IS kind of a hassle, and majorly time consuming. If they DO want to, guess what? They will anyways.

It's going to hurt the game significantly. It combined with many other issues it have with outdated design decisions? Yeah, it will kill the game. A shame you won't support it properly.

And no, this game isn't more successful than its competitors. At all.

exactly... you don't HAVE to. You are choosing to because you made a mistake. Lack of a full respec option is one of the greatest things about this game because it rewards intelligent choices and good planning (I am sorry if these are not your strong suits).

You saying that no respec IS bad design, is just like me saying you are are not capable of rational thought. While I believe it to be true, it is not fact.

Full respecs killed D2. I played that game for a decade and quit within a month of them launching that horrible horrible excuse for a patch.

How about you stop claiming to know what is or is not bad game design and just go play some thoughtless click fest like D3. Enjoy!

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dashgalaxy86 wrote:

I don't get how requiring players to reroll is bad design. Bad design is making a character that you have to reroll. Can someone explain this to me? I see no design flaw here. You only declare it bad design because you, of the farmville generation, like instant gratification. You need to be weened off of D3's horrid skill system, that's all.

quoted for truth.

The only reason a full respec would be needed would be to completely change the role of you character. For example you want to change your bow ranger into a dual wielder. Being able to do this at end game for little to no cost is bad design. Why should you be able to bypass all of the game content because you already leveled a bow ranger? How about whenever you start a new character they just start at the same level of your highest character? Does that sound like a good design choice? No, it is horrible, and that is basically what you suggest with full respecs.

Games like D3 do this because they are not actually RPGs. This is why you have no attachment to a character in D3. They have no meaning. My barb is the same as you barb is the same as his barb. Its all homogenous crap. This is exactly what we don't want in PoE

Sorry for off topic, but really ... some of the replies in the *suggestion* threads are quite remarkable. It doesn't add to the discussion to simply say "the devs intend this" (we know :D ), or to denigrate others.

I would be happy if they gave us just two builds.
IE: Dual Spec and you have to go to town to switch.


I like being forced to think about my tree choices, but I do think its silly to have to make a completely different ranger (level another ranger again) just to try a new build.

Would be cool if we had two builds per character in my opinion, but I am happy with the game as it is and I accept the design choice.

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I don't get how requiring players to reroll is bad design.

Because something as simple as doing significant research beforehand(that you should never be required to do) can be enough to make someone reroll later.

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Joyrock101 wrote:

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I don't get how requiring players to reroll is bad design.

Because something as simple as doing significant research beforehand(that you should never be required to do) can be enough to make someone reroll later.

I'll tell you what bad design is: letting players level up to max level with a PvE build and then change it on a whim to a PvP build.

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Joyrock101 wrote:

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I don't get how requiring players to reroll is bad design.

Because something as simple as doing significant research beforehand(that you should never be required to do) can be enough to make someone reroll later.

I still fail to see the problem with this.

I feel full respecs are a bad idea as well.

I think it would mess up the economy. If you could full respec for free, you would keep various sets of gear and gems. Where normally you would trade them off.

As an example in the summoner witch vs the Cold witch. If you could freely go back and fourth that's 2 sets of gear. Yes you could level two witches, but some wont and trade off the gear they cant use or not good for their spec.

You also get into people snatching up ALL the drops claiming "its for my off spec". I liked wow for years when it came out , then they came out with duel specs and cheap resepcs, and the game got way less fun.

Say the cold with and the summoner witch were in the same party and a piece of gear drops that's good for the cold witch. The summoner could easily grab it claiming he wants to spec to cold and just claim he will respec. No or hard respec makes some one less inclined to do this I feel.