Not offering a full respec is a bad design choice.

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dashgalaxy86 wrote:

I find it fascinating how passionate everyone is about the respec issue. You're either hardcore for or hardcore against. Fact of the matter is that the devs are hardcore against. They've made their reasons clear, and I agree with those reasons. Salokin, you make a lot of assumptions about the casual player and talk about how the game won't survive without them. Do you think it was the casual players who bought $2.5 million USD worth in closed beta access packs? Was it the casual players who bought five diamond packs a piece?

This game has broken all the rules. It doesn't market to casuals. It markets to hardcores by offering them an experience that no other game has in years.

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salokin20 wrote:

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dashgalaxy86 wrote:

I find it fascinating how passionate everyone is about the respec issue. You're either hardcore for or hardcore against. Fact of the matter is that the devs are hardcore against. They've made their reasons clear, and I agree with those reasons. Salokin, you make a lot of assumptions about the casual player and talk about how the game won't survive without them. Do you think it was the casual players who bought $2.5 million USD worth in closed beta access packs? Was it the casual players who bought five diamond packs a piece?

This game has broken all the rules. It doesn't market to casuals. It markets to hardcores by offering them an experience that no other game has in years.

And I'm merely pointing out that very few (if any) games have ever successfully survived for any extended period of time without casual support. 2.2 million over the course of a year is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of money casual players will shell out for a game they enjoy.

The crux of this argument from people like yourself seems to be 2 fold:

1) People will respec in order to succeed in beating the game (changing builds midway, etc).
2) People will respec in order to be successful at PvP (changing to the new FoTM).

For the first issue, why is that such a problem? Beating the game is only a means to an end for most people; they WANT to get past that and just start farming for the best gear/PVP. Why does it matter what build they use, especially when it literally has -zero- affect on your enjoyment of the game? Some players start off thinking they want to do, say, fire damage, and then realize that lightning may be the better way later on. Why do you feel that forcing them to reroll because of a naive mistake starting at level 1 is better then a respec? Better yet, why would ANY non hardcore person want to restart because of said mistake? Makes zero sense.

For the second issue, this was going to happen regardless of the measures to prevent it. A cookie cutter best PvP build WILL be found, and anyone who seriously values PvP WILL copy it. What are you trying to prevent? The only difference between the current system and being able to respec is that allowing respecs wouldn't drive away the casual crowd. That, in no way, ruins your enjoyment of PvP because it then becomes a measure of how actually good you are at the game and not whether or not you spent more time releveling a character to match the current best PvP build.

And, as a final note, I assume this game will have future patches and further alterations of the skill tree. I don't know if they refund your skill points if they alter it, but if they don't refund, then you can be absolutely screwed and forced to reroll if GGG decides that some points are too strong and nerf your current build. It seems to me like you are just trying to punish players who don't want to spend gratuitous amounts of time rerolling their characters because of an improper build, when in reality you should be embracing the fact that YOU could just test and enjoy different builds on one single character (which, by the way, doesn't mean you can't level an alternate character with a different specialty).

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Ashwin wrote:

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Joyrock101 wrote:

You disagree with me because you don't want to use an option that wouldn't hurt you in any way shape or form, except maybe making you feel less "superior" for doing research instead of, you know, just playing the game. THAT is why you are an idiot, not simply because you disagree with me.

Simply rerolling is NOT a viable fix, because that is a MASSIVE investment of time. Maybe when you're older, you'll actually understand that not all gamers have that huge amount of time to dedicate to a game, and that something like that IS actually a punishment.

It doesn't mean they aren't ever going to think about their builds or what they're doing - it means they get to do their research while playing the game, THEN decide if they want to fix things.

There are orbs of regrets and quests that offer passive skill point refunds for such cases. Asking for FULL respec is the easy reset button, which is terrible game design.

This game will end up being as terrible as Diablo 3. Look what no skill "permanence" did to that game. Oh, I'm a WW barbarian.. No wait, I'm a Rend barbarian.. Actually, screw that, lemme just go HotA..

If you want to make optimal characters, you better invest the time into them. That way, you'll learn about the game, and next time you have a choice to make, you'll be more prudent and pour more thought into it.

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EDIT: If it wasn't obvious, I'm strongly AGAINST full respecs. That ruins any character permanence, and consequently replayability and longetivity of the game.

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Rediron wrote:

Leagues are a nice idea that has been implemented in this game, allowing for separate groups playing under different rules.

How can a limited respec league be a bad thing? I know it would be very popular.