Amount of grinding in PoE, compared to Diablo 2

This thread is idiotic. The guy is saying he wants to be able to get a character to endgame faster so he can grind endgame endlessly instead of having to grind throughout the game. So lets remove the entire process of leveling and just have endgame characters who grind the same few monsters over and over for loot. That sounds like a great way to make a fun game! No levels or progression plz!

Derp. People will complain about everything.

leveling from 1 to 70 is the most enjoyable part of the game if you have twink gear.

90-100 is not as fun but it serves a purpose for the hardcore players.

Well you shouldn't be doing regular zones if you're trying to get to a high level. My current character never did any grinding outside of maps, other than maybe a couple levels in catacombs or docks in the 60s. I just played the game for the most part, then started maps. The real grinding doesn't start until you hit maps.

Thats when you start getting really bored, since nothing drops and it's the same shit over and over. Unfortunately if you want to get to the top of the ladder, that's what you have to do. And you have to spend a shit ton of currency to roll maps, while getting very little back, especially if you're playing solo like I do.

Leveling in the normal content is the best part of the game, if you can get the currency you need in order to have a little freedom in what you want to do. Although even while poor, the game is by far the best in this context. At the start of a new league, the game is pretty great. It doesn't start to suck until you constantly grind all day in 75+ maps (because anything less gives you <1% exp).

And considering that simple (and safe) boss runs are much better for finding loot, maps kind of suck. They really are just for exp for leveling.

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kasub wrote:

D2 had very little endgame compared to PoE. I don't know why people glorify it so much. It was great but it really doesn't exceed PoE. Which is fine since D2 is so old.

Fuck no but mf runs were far better then this fucking raining uniques up in this bitch

PINDLEEESKINNNN

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Xavderion wrote:

Guess it's all about psychology. If GGG simply removed every map above level 70 or so people wouldn't complain because there would be no gated content. So apparently less content = more fun :D

Except I still wouldn't have the gear, so yea, I would still be "complaining."

Make higher tiered drops more accessable, rebalance maps to be more difficult.

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Zalm wrote:

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Terrornoid wrote:

You've spent a year playing and haven't found shit, and you don't see a problem with that?

Not at all. Thats the whole thing. Id rather chase that fabled drop than just have it tossed at me out of pity. If I want to play a game where epic loot and godly gear is dropped at my feet all the time, I'd go play D3. I want to play a game where the loot is just out of reach, so I struggle and push to get that loot, not have it handed to me simply because I whined about it.

And I've never nor will I ever flip. Flipping is what one does in D3, not PoE. If your flipping, then your basically playing D3 without an AH. I ammass wealth with patience, something that seems to be rather lacking in todays gamers. I go to maps, gather and sell every yellow I get, and collect a majority of wisdoms. Then I go to the docks, and spend 6 stacks of wisdoms IDing and selling every blue I come across, then sell those few hundred alts into fuses and sell those for ex.

I dont play 20 maps and expect a 10 ex drop, only to be disappointed. I play 10 maps and get 2 ex worth of currency and get excited when I happen to accidentally find a 20 ex drop.

The hell are you talking about, "just out of reach?" You've found ONE good item. That's coming from your own mouth. That is a little more than "just out of reach."

You amass wealth with a shit-ton of wasted time. There is nothing challenging you other than some stupid number in some code somewhere dictating how fast you can acquire loot. Instead of rolling more builds or making alterations to current ones and, you know, actually experiencing the vast build system offered by the game, you spend 99% of your time pointlessly grinding for menial gains.
It makes you feel good to "earn" these items simply by doing some skill-less, brain-dead task for 50 hours? You didn't earn anything. You threw time at it. Do you understand that? A program can do what you are doing. A few lines of code and a pixel sniffer and you are replaced. Oh, but you keep thinking and telling everyone that you are "earning" your items! Nonsense.

PoE is like giving someone a lego set, one piece at a time every time they run a mile. But only sometimes. Most of the time, they get nothing. But, just to keep them running, they'll get a piece every 50 miles.
You are content with 23 different incomplete sets about 37% built. You'll keep running as long as you have a different set to work on. You also like to EARN the sets. Running 100 miles just to add two pieces is your kind of work. It's only a 500 piece set. You'll get there eventually, 10 thousand miles later, and you'll feel super good because you did, in your mind, an amount of work that is proportional to what you earned. 10,000 miles = one little lego set is fair in your mind. Meanwhile, 73 other lego sets have come out.
There is another group of people that want that spaceship built completely. That is rewarding to them. They start the task. After 100 miles, they have 2 pieces. They run some more; 500 miles down and they have 10 pieces. Only 490 pieces to go. They realize how stupid the task actually is and how much time it is wasting. They'll never achieve their goal this way. Some quit. Others just go to Toys R Us and buy it instead. Took 6 hours of pay to get what takes you 10,000 miles.

Seriously, just respond to this:
Would you take lower pay at your job? I mean, that would mean that you are just REALLY earning that paycheck then, right? Let's pay you 1 dollar an hour. Dude, that 500 dollar paycheck is gonna be SO SWEET once you finally get to it. According to your logic, this is correct.

I like how you seem to know hw I play and how much I have played. I have more than one build, more than one character. I have made well over 20 different builds to at least level 50 to test viablity, but you didnt need to know that. The fact of the matter is, if godly items were dropped more often, no matter how much more often, they would be less valuable and thus not as godly.

Please dont assume that I dont challenge myself, please dont assume I only play one build, please dont assume I only grind for low end currency.

Yes I main one build, but its not my only build. Yes I use this build often because its easy, but I also use very difficult builds simply to test the bounds of my gearing a building capabilities. Yes I grind for low end currency, but I do so with high IIR and IIQ and a very quick pace on high end maps in order to try for that godly gear.

Simply because I play differently than you does not mean its a waste of time. You play 20 maps, pass most of the yellows and only ID and end up vendoring a few, that is more of a waste than not picking them up and at least getting something for your work put into the map.

Yeah, I may run 10,000 miles and earn my set, but at least I'm taking all those peices I get every few miles. You run 10,000 miles and expect during the trip to find a whole set of legos in a trash pile along the way. You only get yours by luck, I get mine with patience and diligence. Mine is guaranteed, yours isnt.

Also, this is a game, not a job, we play different for the same goal. I have 3 complete builds I enjoy daily that I have slowly earned. You seem to want more instant gratification and dont seem to want to take as much time to earn it.

Lets try this one. I'd rather get a 1 dollar paycheck and get lucky with a 500 surprise bonus than play like you, where you literally toss out every check you get if it isnt a 10k dollar lottery jackpot you may never get anyways.

Very disorganized thoughts...

The intent of the developers and spirit of the game is such that you level characters, in each league with 1 to maybe 3 characters, and try to race for the highest experience.

It only makes sense in hardcore leagues, or playing solo/close to it in standard leagues.

The leveling in hardcore leagues is fun, with twink gear and some MF, the fear of death, the feeling of safety, buying awesome leveling items and crushing for a few hours all feels GOOD. The build you go forth with and try to reach insane levels with is a strategic choice based on your knowledge, play style, and assumed wealth.

You don't have to race to the top of the ladder, but you can race your friends, or just try to acquire goals yourself.

Characters are supposed to be afraid to die by the intent of the developers, best in slot items are not supposed to be easily available, however given enough effort you should be able to acquire them, i would argue that on this scale its certainly hard to acquire some items, but you still feel like you can do it if your not an idiot.

To those of you that are bored, i played almost all of open beta in standard, since playing in nemesis im not no-lifeing as hard, but i have more fun when i do play, my goals are more modest, and i don't feel like i need to have the best sword, as much as an extremely adequate one.

the leveling process is a large part of the spirit of the game, if you are not playing in hardcore, and you are "bored" i would encourage you search for other people saying what i am here, but in better words.

Do not make character wealth your job while you come close to losing yours in real life. Simply surviving to the next map, helping your friends do the same, and making it a little bit further are all healthy pleasures, think about the game as such, not as a scapegoat. Grinding maps in standard leagues can quickly be reduced to exp/time, you become emotionally detached and bored. Changing play to support this mentality would strip away the pleasure of simply moving forward.

With 10 chaos in gear/gems you can twink your way to about level 70 in a day or so of play time. Most builds try to be map viable by this level, and are not really complete until about 85. I make many poor choices due to my own preferances and do not find doing this to be very hard, stop playing standard, start learning the real consequences of your choices, make choices that are more supported by a realistic vision of your wealth/time investment.

For anyone possibly considering transitioning the one week race is a good opportunity. Leveling with two hand weapons, (spectral throw, ground slam, LA/split arrow/RoA), and stacking a reasonable amount of MF is a good way to make sure that you have a pretty fun/rewarding play through. Make sure to make a few friends along the way.

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SlixSC wrote:

I know people get massive boners when talking about D2, but realistically it's not that great of a game, it was a good game back when PC gaming was still in it's infancy, but most of these "omg D2 so bawsome" arguments are more based on nostalgic feelings rather than good logic.

True. Diablo 2 is vastly overrated. Especially after the expansion.

The dutch thread creator just wants to have a character creation screen which lets him make lvl 80 chars on the fly.

@Terrornoid: Summarized: You see Path of Exile as a job. You dont care about the gameplay since your only goal is to amass pixel wealth. I think there are better options in real life if you want to make cash fast ...

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Reinhart wrote:

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SlixSC wrote:

I know people get massive boners when talking about D2, but realistically it's not that great of a game, it was a good game back when PC gaming was still in it's infancy, but most of these "omg D2 so bawsome" arguments are more based on nostalgic feelings rather than good logic.

True. Diablo 2 is vastly overrated. Especially after the expansion.

Same goes for vanilla WoW. Nostalgia too stronk.

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Xavderion wrote:

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Reinhart wrote:

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SlixSC wrote:

I know people get massive boners when talking about D2, but realistically it's not that great of a game, it was a good game back when PC gaming was still in it's infancy, but most of these "omg D2 so bawsome" arguments are more based on nostalgic feelings rather than good logic.

True. Diablo 2 is vastly overrated. Especially after the expansion.

Same goes for vanilla WoW. Nostalgia too stronk.

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