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Xaaz23 wrote:

Turn off trade chat, pick up your own shit. There ya go, you got your SFL. I love how you expect higher orb drops. GTFO.

That would only compensate disability for trade nothing more. You clearly cannot understand what I'm talking about so which part of "this thread is not for you" you didn't get? It's a polite way of saying "you gtfo" btw.

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Thorien_Kell wrote:

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mazul wrote:

Either no partying or only allow people to join one permanent party and never a new one. This permanent party would not be able to remove members and the offline members would remain in party but with "offline tag".

Reason is that this way either the individual is self-found or the party is self-found. Any other option would go against the etymology of "self-found".

I'm not sure if I understand you.

IMO SF player should be able to join any party (if this would be viable from programmer /designer point of view) but -for him- PA would apply automatically. He would get his share of loot, which is natural, but yes, if other party member leaves the area or disconnects, items should remain gray /unavailable.

Also rule should be determined if items dropped from other players would be pickable. IMO they should remain "gray" / if party member wants to give you something, he can do it through guild stash /if you have "stash sharing" enabled.

Because, if you are playing with a party, then every item found is found by the party, and not by the individual alone, that's why the individual in this case would not be "self-found".

If you change the name to "No-Trade League", then sure allow people to party in any way they want.

Edit: Of course, if the party is permanent, then any item found is found by the party so the party is self-found.

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Thorien_Kell wrote:

I must say that I'm not SFL fanatic.

You know what? you are pretty much now looking as a fanatic.

Peace ;)

Source: SFL biased poll result Second paragraph.

Imho SFL should have the same drop rates, but it should have it's difficulty adjusted to about the level D2 single player had. I think that D2 single player had the right difficulty curve, while PoE difficulty curve is too steep in merciless, which introduces a wall that forces you to trade and reduces build variety at the same time.

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Thorien_Kell wrote:

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Xaaz23 wrote:

Turn off trade chat, pick up your own shit. There ya go, you got your SFL. I love how you expect higher orb drops. GTFO.

That would only compensate disability for trade nothing more. You clearly cannot understand what I'm talking about so which part of "this thread is not for you" you didn't get? It's a polite way of saying "you gtfo" btw.

I'll post anywhere I please. Your idea is idiotic when it is already able to be accomplished in game if you have any self control whatsoever. Any thread on this board is free game for anyone to post in. You obviously have no clue what a forum is for.

Posting in a retarded thread...yay me!

I'm sorry, I think I disagree strongly on almost all points relating to this subject.

Self Found to me means the SAME GAME but a player is bound to use only items him/herself has found. Everything else is the same.

To make a "self found league" you simply need to track characters of that type. It doesn't need its own rules, it doesn't even really need its own league other than in the sense that we want to play with other characters who are self found only so that we're not getting "carried" by some trader with an epicly geared discharger or something.

Here is how you accomplish what I see as a true self found league.. this and NOTHING ELSE:

1.) Force PA, dropped items are allocated to the player dropping it. Leaving an instance will not remove allocation. In other words, its impossible to share loot this way.
2.) Force no Trade (no guild bank either)

That's it.

This nonsense you're talking about to make things easier for yourself is total bull. Learn to play.

If your build NEEDS Shavronne's in a self found league, you're using the wrong build. You cannot base builds around a unique you haven't already looted yourself in self found... That is the WHOLE POINT... it makes finding such rare and build defining items COMPLETELY AWESOME because your character which can use it will be unique in the field. If you luck into a really crazy build defining unique you will be able to make a new character which will be crazy powerful when using it.

Making mistakes with your passives is the WHOLE POINT. You cannot afford to make mistakes with your passives, you simply WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACQUIRE ENOUGH REGRETS! Similarly, you cannot expect to craft things as easily as in other leagues - you will not be able to acquire the orbs. Your orbs are ONLY as valuable as their use dictates... there will be no stacking of exalted orbs here my friend... they are nothing compared to the value of a stack of fusings.

The whole challenge of the game is changed. Just because you want it to be a "No-trading but still easy league" does not mean that you want to play a "Self Found League".

The OP is just ridiculous. Don't act like you speak for me, you speak for the weaker side of this concept. You want an easy league. I want a CHALLENGE. Adding in things to make it easier defeats the whole purpose. It does not need to be the same game, it needs to be DIFFERENT on PURPOSE!

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mazul wrote:

Because, if you are playing with a party, then every item found is found by the party, and not by the individual alone, that's why the individual in this case would not be "self-found".

If you change the name to "No-Trade League", then sure allow people to party in any way they want.

I understand your point, but I think that loot you get from joining the party should still be considered as self found. I mean you do contribute. I don't see how else this could work. Gaining loot only from things you kill yourself? It would complicate things. Badly.

we had SFL in early closed beta, it was before trade chat and before vendors...it sucked :)

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LogoOnPoE wrote:

Imho SFL should have the same drop rates, but it should have it's difficulty adjusted to about the level D2 single player had. I think that D2 single player had the right difficulty curve, while PoE difficulty curve is too steep in merciless, which introduces a wall that forces you to trade and reduces build variety at the same time.

Yes that is a part of problem. Perhaps with all the ideas (or new ones) we could soften that wall just a bit.... For now we already got "easier 3L and 4L" - it's a big thing. Also double resi rings...

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Thorien_Kell wrote:

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mazul wrote:

Because, if you are playing with a party, then every item found is found by the party, and not by the individual alone, that's why the individual in this case would not be "self-found".

If you change the name to "No-Trade League", then sure allow people to party in any way they want.

I understand your point, but I think that loot you get from joining the party should still be considered as self found. I mean you do contribute. I don't see how else this could work. Gaining loot only from things you kill yourself? It would complicate things. Badly.

Loot you get from joining a party, is not "self-found", just look at the word o.O. It is self-looted sure, but all members in the party found it, but you were the only one to loot it.

So by all means, change name of the league.