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Mr_Mustasch wrote:
Do people play self found because they enjoy the challenge, or because they are afraid/incapable of trading?
For me it's that I feel like buying my way to the end game by trading.
I want this game to last for me as long as possible. It's the best game I have playd in years, so by playing solo only and using only items I find/craft myself, the game will last for so much longer.
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Posted byRusherboy#5889on Dec 5, 2013, 10:52:14 AM
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Psyborg wrote:
What are the accepted criteria for playing "self found"?
1) Can you craft?
2) Can you trade orbs for other orbs for crafting purposes?
3) Can you sell to other players for orbs for crafting purposes?
4) Does self found imply solo play exclusively?
Im not sure if I qualify as self founs myself since I do 1-3 even though I play solo 95% of the time. Its just a curious thought that has crossed my mind occasionally.
1. yes
2. no
3. no
4. no, what drops while partying is considered self-found aswell. You just cant trade with other people.
And yes, you can find gear and put it into your stash to use it with another of your char. You found it, no matter with shich character.
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Mr_Mustasch wrote:
Do people play self found because they enjoy the challenge, or because they are afraid/incapable of trading?
I am capable of trading , I just dont like it. I played diablo 2 for 8 years mostly single player. It is much more satisfying when i find something myself, something awesome. It's like an accomplishement. Also I played Titan Quest for years and I loved the fact that I play solo, find gear for future usage with my other chars or finding something very special and cool for my main character. It's like making a Pie, if you are a good baker and You make a great Pie thats more satisfying than buying it at the shop. Also noone gives credit to you for buying a Pie in a shop. Everyone can do that.
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Posted byMegaTen_IV#3375on Dec 5, 2013, 10:52:44 AM
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xxxmarok84xxx wrote:
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Psyborg wrote:
What are the accepted criteria for playing "self found"?
1) Can you craft?
2) Can you trade orbs for other orbs for crafting purposes?
3) Can you sell to other players for orbs for crafting purposes?
4) Does self found imply solo play exclusively?
Im not sure if I qualify as self founs myself since I do 1-3 even though I play solo 95% of the time. Its just a curious thought that has crossed my mind occasionally.
1. yes
2. no
3. no
4. no, what drops while partying is considered self-found aswell. You just cant trade with other people.
And yes, you can find gear and put it into your stash to use it with another of your char. You found it, no matter with shich character.
The issue with party play is: clearing content has a value in PoE economy, that's precisely why poeple pay to get boss cleared for them by other players. By paryting with other player, you are utilizing the gear and stats another player has. This goes against the "do it yourself"-mentality that is the basis of "self found".
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Posted bymazul#2568on Dec 5, 2013, 10:57:16 AM
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mazul wrote:
The issue with party play is: clearing content has a value in PoE economy, that's precisely why poeple pay to get boss cleared for them by other players. By paryting with other player, you are utilizing the gear and stats another player has. This goes against the "do it yourself"-mentality that is the basis of "self found".
Not really because the players dont participiate in the economy. They share teh loot only between the group. When we played D2 back in the days via Ethernet Lan we made a lot of boss runs, mostly Mephisto and Baal when LOD came out. I dont see why partying should be forbidden in Self found league as long as the players keep the items for themselves and dont put them on the market.
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Posted byMegaTen_IV#3375on Dec 5, 2013, 11:01:41 AM
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xxxmarok84xxx wrote:
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mazul wrote:
The issue with party play is: clearing content has a value in PoE economy, that's precisely why poeple pay to get boss cleared for them by other players. By paryting with other player, you are utilizing the gear and stats another player has. This goes against the "do it yourself"-mentality that is the basis of "self found".
Not really because the players dont participiate in the economy. They share teh loot only between the group. When we played D2 back in the days via Ethernet Lan we made a lot of boss runs, mostly Mephisto and Baal when LOD came out. I dont see why partying should be forbidden in Self found league as long as the players keep the items for themselves and dont put them on the market.
Because "founding" something is not just about the money, it is about the work as well. If you cooperate with other people so that you both get items and experience, your character is not being strictly self-found, you character is also being found by your party members through their work.
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Posted bymazul#2568on Dec 5, 2013, 11:14:44 AM
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mazul wrote:
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xxxmarok84xxx wrote:
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mazul wrote:
The issue with party play is: clearing content has a value in PoE economy, that's precisely why poeple pay to get boss cleared for them by other players. By paryting with other player, you are utilizing the gear and stats another player has. This goes against the "do it yourself"-mentality that is the basis of "self found".
Not really because the players dont participiate in the economy. They share teh loot only between the group. When we played D2 back in the days via Ethernet Lan we made a lot of boss runs, mostly Mephisto and Baal when LOD came out. I dont see why partying should be forbidden in Self found league as long as the players keep the items for themselves and dont put them on the market.
Because "founding" something is not just about the money, it is about the work as well. If you cooperate with other people so that you both get items and experience, your character is not being strictly self-found, you character is also being found by your party members through their work.
Look. Self found gaming was never against playing multiplayer with other people. Also the word "legit" was very common in the times Diablo 1 came out and people played the game via Battle net. Yes the game had very old mechanics so it was easy to abuse it like "duping" etc. But there were legit people with self found gear. That means no trading, no duping just playing the game solo, or in party. Also i dont know if you heard about MTG but i played it for years, and while drafting on tournaments cards picked up by you were also considered as self found. Not traded or bought cards. And a lot of people participiated in tournaments.
Also raiding in wow with your party is about obtaining gear yourself by raiding with your group. You participiated in the fight, item was dropped... it's yours. You found it. It's not like you buy items from AH....
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Posted byMegaTen_IV#3375on Dec 5, 2013, 11:22:49 AM
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xxxmarok84xxx wrote:
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Look. Self found gaming was never against playing multiplayer with other people. Also the word "legit" was very common in the times Diablo 1 came out and people played the game via Battle net. Yes the game had very old mechanics so it was easy to abuse it like "duping" etc. But there were legit people with self found gear. That means no trading, no duping just playing the game solo, or in party. Also i dont know if you heard about MTG but i played it for years, and while drafting on tournaments cards picked up by you were also considered as self found. Not traded or bought cards. And a lot of people participiated in tournaments.
Also raiding in wow with your party is about obtaining gear yourself by raiding with your group. You participiated in the fight, item was dropped... it's yours. You found it. It's not like you buy items from AH....
So this is self-found according to you then: I'll ask my friend to buy the godliest gear possible in a League through trading. Then I'll party him while I don't even touch any monster, I just run around following him, while he kills every single mob. Oh and for giggles, we can also add an insane MFer to party for last hitting to get nice loot explosion. Oh and oh, they will roll all maps too, I will never pay even an alteration shard for anything.
The whole game, except the first zombie and Hillock at the start of the game, I will not kill any mob. My friends will kill all for me. Yet, when I hit lv90 this way, which I easily will, I will post in forum "I got to lv90 self-found" and you will agree that it was self-found XD.
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Posted bymazul#2568on Dec 5, 2013, 11:32:24 AM
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mazul wrote:
So this is self-found according to you then: I'll ask my friend to buy the godliest gear possible in a League through trading. Then I'll party him while I don't even touch any monster, I just run around following him, while he kills every single mob. Oh and for giggles, we can also add an insane MFer to party for last hitting to get nice loot explosion. Oh and oh, they will roll all maps too, I will never pay even an alteration shard for anything.
The first thing you should know that in a self found league trading would be not possible, so those people ( your friends ) have to obtain the godly gear by themselves or by partying. So yeah this kind of self found partying is in the question aswell. But it's up to you if you can live with it. When you check the posts in this topic, you realize that self found means different things to players.
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mazul wrote:
The whole game, except the first zombie and Hillock at the start of the game, I will not kill any mob. My friends will kill all for me. Yet, when I hit lv90 this way, which I easily will, I will post in forum "I got to lv90 self-found" and you will agree that it was self-found XD.
Teoretically yes, noone could blame you for that because you didnt traded. Everything you obtained until lvl 90 was dropped in front of you while you was a part of the group. So no matter how you contributed to the party, by doing nothing or actually killing mobs and playing the game. Still legit.
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Posted byMegaTen_IV#3375on Dec 5, 2013, 11:42:06 AM
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mazul wrote:
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xxxmarok84xxx wrote:
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Look. Self found gaming was never against playing multiplayer with other people. Also the word "legit" was very common in the times Diablo 1 came out and people played the game via Battle net. Yes the game had very old mechanics so it was easy to abuse it like "duping" etc. But there were legit people with self found gear. That means no trading, no duping just playing the game solo, or in party. Also i dont know if you heard about MTG but i played it for years, and while drafting on tournaments cards picked up by you were also considered as self found. Not traded or bought cards. And a lot of people participiated in tournaments.
Also raiding in wow with your party is about obtaining gear yourself by raiding with your group. You participiated in the fight, item was dropped... it's yours. You found it. It's not like you buy items from AH....
So this is self-found according to you then: I'll ask my friend to buy the godliest gear possible in a League through trading. Then I'll party him while I don't even touch any monster, I just run around following him, while he kills every single mob. Oh and for giggles, we can also add an insane MFer to party for last hitting to get nice loot explosion. Oh and oh, they will roll all maps too, I will never pay even an alteration shard for anything.
The whole game, except the first zombie and Hillock at the start of the game, I will not kill any mob. My friends will kill all for me. Yet, when I hit lv90 this way, which I easily will, I will post in forum "I got to lv90 self-found" and you will agree that it was self-found XD.
as has been stated before, self found has no strict definition and is just a self-imposed ruleset. you don't win anything by getting to level 90 self-found, so why would it matter? furthermore, the whole point of this ruleset is to have fun, which your proposed method contradicts because you would not even be playing the game
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Posted byskinnay#1438on Dec 5, 2013, 11:46:59 AM
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mazul wrote:
So this is self-found according to you then: I'll ask my friend to buy the godliest gear possible in a League through trading. Then I'll party him while I don't even touch any monster, I just run around following him, while he kills every single mob. Oh and for giggles, we can also add an insane MFer to party for last hitting to get nice loot explosion. Oh and oh, they will roll all maps too, I will never pay even an alteration shard for anything.
The whole game, except the first zombie and Hillock at the start of the game, I will not kill any mob. My friends will kill all for me. Yet, when I hit lv90 this way, which I easily will, I will post in forum "I got to lv90 self-found" and you will agree that it was self-found XD.
Try looking at what he said, not from the point of "I got to lv90 self-found" *brag brag* (with exploited ways to pervert a tag of self found, for bragging rights)
But rather someone playing a way he wants to. As close to original aRPG (pre trade-communication bastardisation). A way that doesn't take the path-of-least-resistance but also doesn't take a purist-look-at-how-awesome-I-am approach (whether legit or not).
Maybe, just maybe, ponder that most self found players (however defined) don't give a shit about competition, attention or want any kind of respect or praise or for that matter scrutiny.
And remember there is no SF definition, it is what it is to the individual. And thinking anyone plays this way for anything other than personal preference of fun, is pigeon-holing a majority into what is a minority.
Casually casual.
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Posted byTheAnuhart#4741on Dec 5, 2013, 11:52:47 AM
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