What is "Self Found" exactly?

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Psyborg wrote:

What are the accepted criteria for playing "self found"?

1) Can you craft?
2) Can you trade orbs for other orbs for crafting purposes?
3) Can you sell to other players for orbs for crafting purposes?
4) Does self found imply solo play exclusively?

Im not sure if I qualify as self founs myself since I do 1-3 even though I play solo 95% of the time. Its just a curious thought that has crossed my mind occasionally.

I believe it's totally without trading with others.

You can craft things you find of course.

Then there's solo self found/ironman mode.

Where every character you create uses its own stash tab and cannot draw upon your pooled lewt all played out in a hardcore league.

It's not for the feint hearted and it will test any/every build you theory craft as it has to be self sustaining/viable from the get go to the final skill point.


A reminder that gems aren't freely available at ones whim for theory crafting these types of builds.

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Psyborg wrote:

What are the accepted criteria for playing "self found"?

1) Can you craft?
2) Can you trade orbs for other orbs for crafting purposes?
3) Can you sell to other players for orbs for crafting purposes?
4) Does self found imply solo play exclusively?

Im not sure if I qualify as self founs myself since I do 1-3 even though I play solo 95% of the time. Its just a curious thought that has crossed my mind occasionally.

My personnal opinion.
1. Yes
2. No, only vendor recipe.
3. No, only vendor recipe.
4. No.

Nonetheless, I once broke* point 2 and 3 and I still consider myself self-found.

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Mr_Mustasch wrote:

Do people play self found because they enjoy the challenge, or because they are afraid/incapable of trading?

I play self-found mainly because I hate the concept of trading.

Self-found refers to limits you put on yourself, and there isn't a strict definition for it, it depends on how much you personally want to ramp up the difficulty.

For example, some may accept gear from party members that dropped while you were playing with them, since you technically helped kill the monsters and your party found it together, and some would consider that not self-found if the loot wasn't allocated to you.

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Mr_Mustasch wrote:

Do people play self found because they enjoy the challenge, or because they are afraid/incapable of trading?

Interesting question. I would say mostly because of challenge and pleasure of finding new upgrades for your char.

Right now you are 99% positive that you CANNOT find good items yourself, not as ones that you can buy relatively easily. Its much more practical to buy item then find it. So you grind to earn orbs to buy gear. Stupid when you put it that way. Many ppl find this annoying.

I play 95% solo, 99% self found. The rare time i group, it's with my GF. And the rare trades, is mostly giving her gear. I rarely accept payment game wise.

Once i tried Endless Ledge style. (no stash, no vendor, drop what you don't immediately need) I got to act 3 sewers before dying. But it was awesomely intense. It really tests your ability to plan, and understanding of mechanics.

Solo play. Absolutely no interacting with another player besides chatting.

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mazul wrote:

Solo play. Absolutely no interacting with another player besides chatting.

what about dancing in town?

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Psyborg wrote:

Well just to be clear I never use web sites or any rmt. I simply dont buy gear, but I do exchange orbs so I can roll my own gear...and if I find a valuable unique or skill gem Ill sell that for chaos usually.

So thanks for the responses, I obviously dont play self found but I enjoy my play style...at least when people arent trying to BS alt rates on me. ;)

Well you play self found-ish.
I mean it isn't like you are worshipping at the alter of 'let's fuck this genre completely' as are seemingly most modern day gamers and developers (funnily enough, now excluding blizzard).

There is a wide scope of SF.
I wouldn't trade orbs, or sell gear.
Other people do both, others one or the other.
For some, it's a character thing.
For others, it's an account thing.

There is no SF definition.

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Mr_Mustasch wrote:

Do people play self found because they enjoy the challenge, or because they are afraid/incapable of trading?

For some, it's a change and possibly a challenge. These you will likely see fitting in the 'character thing' category, among others. Setting aside a stash tab, or creating a new account.

For some, yes, I suppose they could have capability issues with trading. These could likely not give SF a second look if say an AH was available and would buy gear without a problem.

For some (I'd say most) it's just how we play aRPGs. Trading wasn't originally a big part of aRPGs. No, it really wasn't, everything being free trade was as simple as.. no need to bind, trading is limited by communication, a nice feature to sometimes partake in LAN parties. For us, it isn't about challenge, although on a similar note, we know how trading trivialises almost any challenge there might be. It's having fun, the way we know how to have fun in aRPGs and avoiding what would generally lessen that fun and longevity. Although the mess that aRPGs have become these days (old free trade system in modern communication resulting in trade tuned design) often means harming your game experience in order to, well, not harm it more.