1200 fusings, no 6 link

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CanHasPants wrote:

I know it is a tad tangential to the topic at hand, but I also feel the mid game needs a little bit of love, instead of being totally disregarded for end game balance. The same problems that exist mid game also permeate throughout the end game, at least to a slight degree. It all stems from itemization and RNG being the primary contributors to the character's identity, which is far too elitist for my liking. For comparison: See D2, where skills were entirely separate from itemization, and a character could find and maintain its identity throughout progression, even with shit items. Here, too many of a character's identifying features fall on itemization, and there exists too much reliance on luck to maintain what should be a constant. Even into the end game, before we even reach the point of vanity.

I find my suggestion to be a fair compromise, offering a solution that normalizes itemization enough to develop a character's RNG-centric identity, without impeding upon the necessity of the RNG for prolonged vanity-driven gameplay. If resultant inflation would imbalance the economy, I contend that it is only because a total disregard from midgame content has imbalanced it from the start.

I can see this resulting in more people investing in rolling a 6L, and I can also see this inflating the value of orbs. I cannot see how this would lead to more 6L being made; only making it more expensive to try (as people would be rightfully using orbs for lesser means). If vanity is the motivating factor here, I can only foresee it becoming even more significant.

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CanHasPants wrote:

I, on the other hand, have experienced every bit of difficulty in acquiring the links/sockets I've needed thought progression, of every one of my toons. Could this also be attributed to luck? Probably :)

I do, by the way, agree with what you are saying. I have from the start. I'm trying to bring a different perspective to the table, that orbs are too "elitist" in application as is. Even in terms of perpetuating market mobility, the desire to sell or buy orbs stems from a few people with the means to acquire a significant amount of market influence, stirring the lower "classes" to funnel those orbs upwards. This does also stimulate upward movement within the market. But still, there is no "common" or "casual" incentive to use orbs that does not involve wasting wealth, at times when wealth is a rare commodity. That is utterly backwards to me; wealth should be a rare commodity because it functions properly and is therefore universally used, not because it is trade fodder.

So let me ask you directly, do you think ensuring a single socket color or a 3L would inhibit the fear based motivation to not even try for a 6L? 4L? 5L? Is there a point where the idea remains viable and merits further discussion? Or perhaps, is there a better way to alieve the aforementioned problems? I'd kind of like to get people to start thinking more outside of the box, more so than promote my own ideas. These threads have a way of devolving into "spend 1500 fuse to guarantee a 6L" vs "No it's a bad idea" and that puts nothing constructive on the table.

Edit: Elfing typos!

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

im for making fusing more common especially since the double name formula nerf is going to murder the primary means of quickly getting stupid amounts of them.

personally i am very apprehensive about investing time into this game specifically because of this issue.

On one hand I can appreciate the whole rng argument , but too much rng has been known to destroy games (diablo 3 + bad rng + auction house = dead game). I also understand that 6l is viewed as proper end game super gear.

but i also believe that spending 3 months gathering currency ( and this is when you actually have gear good enough to farm for the currency). and then end up with nothing too show for it is for a lack of a better phrase: intensely frustrating.

I wont lie if i were to spend 1000 fusings and not get a 6l id probably go play another game on the spot and never look back. I just don't have the time or the immeasurable patience to suffer such a colossal waste of life and then try again with the thought of wasting yet another three months of life.

in the end i guess i am fine with there being risk , but too much risk just makes the whole thing unproductive.

this isn't like gambling in diablo 2 which was purely optional to character progression , and it just does not seem fair for it to be achieved through such an uncertain and often painful mechanic. Most of us normal people don't have the 1000s of hours needed to make such a thing trivial.


by no means am i saying it should be easy to get. just that even if it takes me a year i want to get there eventually.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

I still like my 5L= 5 fusings idea.

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Moosifer wrote:

I don't mind that 6ls are hard.