Jay Wilsons list of Diablo 2 flaws

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Charan wrote:

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lethal_papercut wrote:

Hey Stryker how about this...you & Fireskull add eachother to skype then you two can circlejerk bash D3 & Jay Wilson till the cows come home. We know you guys hate D3 but you aren't saying anything that you haven't already spammed in the numerous D3 hate threads that already exist. You don't like D3...we GET it!

Actually, I'd never seen anything Jay Wilson purportedly said about D2, so I found this quite an interesting read. (It could be all made up, but hey, it doesn't seem entirely outlandish.)

My thanks to stryker for entertaining and enlightening. This is what gaming fora are all about.

I do remember some of the quotes from various videos I saw. Can't speak for every single quote, but seems genuine all in all.


That said: I think it should be clear by now that the team responsible for D3 were not up to the task. Mr Wilson's insistence on all gamers remembering things wrong really struck me as "willingly blinding himself to the obvious". Because obviously, some gamers had been playing D2 only days or hours before they made those claims he condemns as "this wasn't so". Denial, anyone?
Kinda reminds me of the forumite who insisted that "Diablo 1 was not dark and creepy, and that is a fact". Heh, still cracks me up.


And yes, there is ONE solution for Diablo 3: Shred it. Bury it in the pet sematary. Hope something frightening crawls out and wants to devour your soul.

Alternate solution: Play PoE and be at peace with the knowledge that our beloved franchise was taken from us through a (relatively) quick death, and not one that goes on for several sequels. Here's to hoping that our new pet will be at least as long-lived and famous.

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Charan wrote:

But when I see a little of what happens there bleed into here, that's probably when I like this 'job' the least. And you do sometimes represent that, papercut, so for now I do associate the less-cool aspects of my task/role with some of your scathing contributions. They can be incendiary and incisive, apt to arouse the ire of other users who might inadvertently slip over the line into uncivil behaviour. That's never any fun for me, but I completely see the need for such incendiary, incisive posts. It can't all be lalala happy land.

Tbh I have no idea what the heck you are talking about here Charan. I haven't been moderated once in over 250 posts so I guess you have just taken a disliking to me for some reason.

As far as this forum goes then I personally think there is way too much "everything is great lalala GGG woot!" going on, I'm not saying it should be more like the D3 forums as they are way too far in the opposite direction but brown nosing GGG at every turn really doesn't do anything productive.

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lethal_papercut wrote:

Tbh I have no idea what the heck you are talking about here Charan. I haven't been moderated once in over 250 posts so I guess you have just taken a disliking to me for some reason.

As far as this forum goes then I personally think there is way too much "everything is great lalala GGG woot!" going on, I'm not saying it should be more like the D3 forums as they are way too far in the opposite direction but brown nosing GGG at every turn really doesn't do anything productive.

I thought I was very clear in my explanation. No, you haven't been moderated (but that doesn't say much -- we officially moderate only in very dire situations, and have one of the most laissez-faire systems I've ever seen in an official game forum), but there have been situations in which I could envision things escalating very quickly. You're very blunt, very critical and very wary of circlejerks. These are, in my opinion, all fine qualities, but the expression of them in an otherwise congenial (if useless) context can be a source of contention.

I also don't see people brown-nosing GGG at every turn. That's certainly not how you get into alpha, at any rate. There needs to be a lot more going on. While Chris says that good behaviour is taken into consideration, he doesn't mean obedience and adulation. He means civil, constructive posting that can still gut and shred some of the things GGG has done. It's impossible to be civil AND constructive without being a critic, and that means criticising GGG.

The humility with which they receive such criticism, even from 'lowly beta testers' is pretty impressive.

Is it brown-nosing to acknowledge that and then contrast how poorly other devs from other companies react to criticism? I don't think so. It is brown-nosing to claim that GGG are somehow unique in this (naturally they are not) and to use this as a position to outright slam other companies. Again, not exactly the path to becoming a respected member of the community.

I think that some people on this board are so wary of being betrayed by the devs, of being let down, that they consciously work against praising them or acknowledging when they've done something good. I can understand that position but see it as neither better nor worse than those who, perhaps for the same reasons, enjoy praising GGG because they could not heap such praise on other devs, other companies.

There is a healthy balance between the two, and it hinges on wanting to make the game better for everyone. That's where you'll find the best posts and the best posters. Those who can at once praise and criticise.

Well just for reference know this, every single one of my posts is given with the sole intent of making the game better (it may just be my opinion of what's better but I do try to make a conscious effort to be as objective as possible). I love this game, I think it has huge potential but I don't think it has reached that potential just yet. I may be guilty of only ever pointing out the negatives or playing devil's advocate but that is because I feel it is more important to discuss the things that are wrong with the game rather than pat eachother on the back all the time for a job well done. I have given GGG money to play a beta, I spend a lot of time playing the game & I also spend a lot of time in the forums giving as much feedback as I can so forgive me but I feel that shows my love & appreciation for the game & should be all the pats on the back that GGG need from me at this stage. "Incisive" "blunt" "incendiary" I will accept those terms but most importantly with every post I am also 100% honest. I live by candor & I hate when people try to bullshit to me, honesty is vital & when I see something that I feel is circle of bs I have no qualms labelling it so.

FireSkull, let me ask you this; how will you feel if or when you can buy items, currency & pre-levelled accounts on a 3rd party site like JSP for POE? Will you blame the devs for not making it more difficult? Will you blame the people doing it for ruining the game & making it p2w? Will you blame the 3rd party site for even existing?

What happens if these 3rd party sites really take off and instead of playing the game new players just buy all their stuff from there? What happens if GGG can't make a living from purely selling cosmetic upgrades & the 3rd party sites are making a killing? I am interested to hear as all the things I have mentioned are waiting in the wings, waiting for this game to become popular enough for it to be worth in the investment. It happened with D2 & it happens with D3, the only difference is Blizz took it in-house rather than leave it to some 3rd party oiks. You may hate Blizz for doing it but it was going to happen regardless.

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FireSkull wrote:

Just one little tip for GGG: Dony copy Diablo 3, and dont add a auction house.
If you can do that, then PoE is pretty much a perfect game in every aspect. Also dont copy WoW.

(I know GGG prob. wont copy WoW or D3 though.)

I think you can rest easy on both counts. GGG has stated that they make a game they want to play - not one that caters to some statistical demographic... or was it demographical statistic?
No matter: They'll never go that way.
And concerning the Auction House: Given PoE's unique economy, it would be next to impossible to integrate without a major undertaking. Which I simply don't see with a team of GGG's size. See? Size does matter, and sometimes, smaller IS better :-D.