Jay Wilsons list of Diablo 2 flaws
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Ok, let me ask you this, on what grounds do you rate a game's success? Any game not just D3.
Do you rate it on sales? Profit? # of active players? Metacritic or review site scores? Whether you as an individual like it or not? Whether your mates like it? Or do you have some other way to determine a game's success? |
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" Which goes to show how delusional some people can be when it comes to entitlement. Or about how to implement things. They know some gameplay element from a game, and like it. And from then on, they'll lobby for it in any other game they might like. Hey, I liked bullet time in Max Payne. Let's put bullet time into WoW! Speaking of shooters: I love free targeting! Let's implement that into SWTOR! Hey, I just found out that WASD+Mouse is a great way to navigate in a PC game! When will PoE have WASD to move???!! I didn't think I'd say this in today's gaming climate, but I do trust GGG to make the right decisions. Wake me when they have TRH in the cash shop. 12/12/12 - the day Germany decided boys are not quite human.
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LoL Whats with all these questions? :P
The main thing about GGG is that they are gamers making games. And i know that D3 is also kinda like that... the problem is that they dont listen to other gamers, and how Jay Wilson is still there after the FUCK THAT LOSER which he said to Brevik. That clearly indicates that something failed horribly. GGG gets very positive feedback on their youtube videos and their forums, and here the forums are not as fucking stupid as they are in D3, which is why people like them. GGG does a good job with the players. So positive feedback from players is prob. what means the most. (to me at least.) Reviews tend to be shit, unless it is a private review. D3 has so much negative feedback, unlike PoE. |
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" It is agreed by even many current D3 players that Blizz did need to implement the AH's just because 3rd party would exist anyway. It made using real money more prominent and accepted. Not only that but their game was made differently because of their plan to use the AH's. IMO those sites was not a reason to do what they did. Standard Forever
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" Why not judge each game individually? The measure for success does not have to be universal. For me, PoE is successful: If the devs make at least enough money to continue making games they like (because I do care about GGG), and if I like it. Everything outside that - irrelevant, from my personal PoV. For example: I never cared nor needed to care that some players cheated in D2 (jsp et. al.). I could play the game perfectly fine on my own computer, I could mod it, I could play it on LANs. Perfect, lemony goodness. In D3, Blizzard made cheating a gameplay mechanic (personal opinion, yours may differ), and prevention of hackers/piracy went from a problem for the company to a problem for the customer. It might be a successful game on the devs terms (wooo, sales numbers!), but in this case, I don't care about that one tiny, little, weenie bit. And it made things into problems for me that simply weren't problems before. And it also failed at the "I like it" part miserably. 12/12/12 - the day Germany decided boys are not quite human.
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The point I am trying to get at is you seem to think D3 is the ultimate failure, when from a business & # of active players standpoint it is highly successful. It also scored highly from the professional critics (worthless to me & you but some people listen to them else they wouldn't exist), but yes it is fair to say it fell down when it comes to user reviews.
As a company & from a purely business perspective I am sure Blizz are over the moon with the success of D3. It has made them insane amounts of money in a tough economic period & has secured the jobs of their workforce while providing additional profit for future endeavours. It is for these reasons that Jay Wilson is proud about what he has done. It is not because he doesn't give a fuck, it's because he has done well for his company & basically done his job. I urge you to try and understand this as an adult when you see him write "fuck that guy". Yes it was totally arrogant but that is what it was and not an act of disrespect aimed at fans. He thinks he is the boy cos he made a lot of money, noone likes an arrogant bastard but it's understandable, no? Not to mention it was on a private facebook thread. Now I will move onto GGG, once again playing devil's advocate, how will you feel if GGG don't make enough money from POE to continue the project? Let's say not enough people are buying from the shop & the F2P model doesn't work out. Will you still think POE is a successful game? Will you blame GGG or the lack of fans for it's demise? This game could well be arguably 'better' than D3 but while we live in a capitalist world the success of GGG/POE will be measured by how much money they make & not how big their skill tree is. |
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" Well... Again its sad, but im not gonna blame them. They are working hard to create a game for gamers, and if it fails im just gonna feel sorry for them. Continue to spam the internet with PoE plz. If it fails i think i will stop playing ARPGS. The big company makes a shit game, and the small company makes an awesome game that fails because the company does not get enough money. That is just sad. |
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" I share your sentiments that it feels like Blizz made a 3rd party problem a problem for everyone but then I remember that noone actually forces you to use the AH/RMAH. Yes they made it far too easy & with that big shiny 'Auction House' button sat right there it's too tempting for the weak willed to not use. Saying "they made it too easy to use the AH" is fair comment but when you make that statement also bear in mind you are saying "I cannot control myself from using the AH" at the same time. Avireyn, if you had played D3 with no use of the AH then you would be in exactly the same situation as you were with D2. The Botters would no affect you and the issue would be irrelevant. But I am guessing you like me went straight to the AH on day1 & bought pretty much every upgrade we could until we couldn't afford any more(?). I had a blast using the AH but when all was said & done I realised I had cheated myself out of hours of gameplay trying to find my own gear. I was only looking for really great items & every piece of gear I was wearing was from the AH. I realised that while Blizz are like a crack dealer in your living room I am the chump that said yes & fired up the pipe. Start again & don't use the AH would be good advice but I think for all of us who used it before then the game has already been spoiled somewhat. Maybe if you leave it some time before playing again & start over you might feel different, but then when you do look on the AH you are gonna see insane items for really cheap & you are gonna have to decide what is more important to you. Blizz are guilty of making the AH too in your face but we are the suckers for using it. Last edited by lethal_papercut#5270 on Nov 23, 2012, 1:26:47 PM
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" We are not the suckers for using it. They could just have made fun itemization instead of AH bullFUCKINGcrap bothacked and NOOOBfriendly and CASUAL itemization with pay 2 win. But i do actually agree that i feelt like a casual noob fag kid when i used the D3 GAH. |
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I never once looked on the internet for builds
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