DIABLO III ?... HA! More like "DIABLO FAIL"

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BelKirill wrote:

To be fair, I've been playing the Diablo series since the launch of D1, but I never considered it an RPG, not even an ARPG.
For me it's there with Borderlands and Darksiders as an action adventure.

It's a modern day Gauntlet done well. Even the premise is almost the same.
You enter an enclosed area and kill monsters while looking for power ups and occasionally destroying a monster generator.
Except for not losing health/ food it's almost the same.
Sure, there are bells and whistles, but the core is the same.

That said, I do enjoy the series and D3 in that capacity.
And sure, characters with an off-beat build/ items will not be able to handle Inferno - but since I view it as an action game, I don't care.
As long as it's challenging - it's okay.

Dafuq? If its an action game, it should not be named Diablo 3... But i do actually agree that D3 is more of an action game....

But if u dont consider D1 and D2 as ARPG, then PoE is not an ARPG either. Thats basically what you are saying.

Diablo series is not about action only. The most important part of D2 was the items, skilltree and the builds, which is why D2 lasted so long, along with the ladder system. D3 does not have this, so saying that D1 and D2 were only about combat and killing everything does not make sense to me. Yes the part with killing monsters is what you do for most of the game, but if its the only thing thats in the game, then it is not an ARPG. D3 only has left to remove items and skilltree completely to be a action game only, but the "skilltree" is not a real skilltree, and the items suck, so the RPG part really is fucked up, while the Action part might be good, it has never been the most important thing in the Diablo series, and the WoW influence does not make it any better at all. Auction House fucked it up even more, along with gold... And making everything casual.

And when you say as long as it is challenging...... There is nothing really challenging about D3, you dont need to think, you dont need to plan, you dont need tactics, you dont need builds, you dont need skilltree, YOU JUST NEED GOOOLD!!! You even need gold to use your stash, which is retarded as f$@{.

So, is collecting gold challenging?... Not really, it just takes forever and is boring as hell.. but sure, if Diablo 3 is an Action game in your opinion, i quess it is not much of a problem at all. In fact, maybe it would be better if they just completely removed items and skilltree.... Seen from the perspective of a action game only. Alot of the problems they have right now is that they focused to much on the action part, and too little on rpg part, and also because they copied WoW when making a Diablo game.

So just make it an action game only just to say we hate Blizzard North please, then rename it to Arena of Sanctuary or something like that. Because of too many fails with the RPG part this really seems like a better solution. The game failed for fans. Maybe Diablo 4 will have no skilltree, no items, no inventory, no stash, no town, just a big arena where you kill monsters, and nothing else. I mean, it makes sense due to the way D3 turned out.

The use of the Diablo name in D3 is basically the biggest fail of them all. If it was named something else, we would not have much of a problem at all really. Action gamers would get a fun game, without ruining the Diablo franchise. D3 turned out to be a shitty combination of too many diffrent game elements and wow influence, that did not work well together. If it was not named diablo, then these problems would NOT be there/Blizz would not fail in the way they created the system.

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Asphael wrote:

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BelKirill wrote:

I think you look at D1 and D2 through nostalgia glasses.

Having skills, items, and ladders does not an RPG make.
Compare D2 skill trees with PoE.
Let's say you want a viable Hell build - You have 1-2 skills and their synergies maxed.
Your stats are STR (Min for items), DEX (Min for needed AR) and all the rest in VIT.
What does that tell me about your character?
What do your items tell me except for the time you put in to farm them?

In PoE I can learn about your character through your skill tree, gems and weapon.
Even though in the purest definition of RPG that's just the bare minimum.

And how is farming for gold different than farming Lazarus and his witches in D1?
Or farming D2 for either your perfect items or stuff to trade for your perfect items?
Or any farming for that matter.

Ugh... first of all if you think that there are only viable builds in D2 that have str/dex min rest vit, you are a lousy D2 player. There are a ton of viable hell builds and a lot of them don't use this standart stat distribution. Also some items would enable builds, so the "strength - enough for gear" isn't a trivial matter.

And why can you learn something about my character through items in PoE but not in D2. That doesn't make any sense, because both games feature builds that depend on certain items.

And farming gold is as different from farming items as it can possibly be. To make it short and not get into some long game-design argument: items - cool; gold - boring.
To be honest I never understood what fun an aRPG is, if you don't play self-found only (or minimal trade with friends)


@FireSkull
You only need to buy your stash space once... obviously it was designed as a goldsink, unfortunately there aren't enough of them.. so the value of gold tropped pretty fast, but nevertheless the idea of a goldsink through more stash tabs is not retarded.
And your stunning conclusion "YOU JUST NEED GOOLD!111!!1"... well, in PoE YOU JUST NEED ORBS! In life you just NEED MOBNIES OR GOLD!!!... In Diablo 2 you just needed runes.. I don't see the problem here, but as I said earlier I also can't understand what possible fun it could be to only trade for unique items and never actually experience the joy of finding one. :)

The difference is that runes/orbs are more fun than gold, and you trade with them in trade games. In D3 you just get gold to buy on the AH, which is boring. Also, keep in mind that there are diffrent orbs and diffrent runes. Gold is just gold.... And overall the itemization in D3 fails, which is also connected to how fun AH/Trading is, which is connected to what players want to buy or sell, which is connected to players builds.

Path of Exile just does this better, so did D2.

Another difference is that there is no RMAH crap in PoE.

So in short: AH/RMAH + Crappy and boring itemization and lack of build based gear means that trading sucks..... Gold sinks should not even be in the game, it just shows how messed up their system really is.