GGG Please Figure out how to stop Boosting (screenshots included)

MrDDT...

Rubbish. There is a big difference between re rolling maps and playing the game in the intended way or boosting. I am quite capable of boosting, I am sat on beta keys have have given several away. The reason that I do not do it is due to ethics, plain and simple. You boost because it gives you an advantage and that is all there is to it.

Lots of people boost. This is still closed beta. Closed beta is a time for us to intentionally look for exploits and report them. That does not mean that you have to keep using the exploits after you have investigated them.

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Cacia wrote:

All you people who think boosting is cheating are ridiculous. Just because you thinks it’s cheating does not make it so.

It’s taking advantage of game mechanic that is available to all. It’s not an exploit.

Get over it already.

Personally, I’d like to see something like they are doing in 1.0.5 in D3. Monster Power. Problem solved.

Cheat codes in single player games are available to all, yet they are still cheat codes. It does not matter in single player as you are not interacting with others, though.

Boosting is cheating and trying to claim otherwise just says that you want to have an excuse for it.

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hzflank wrote:

MrDDT...

Rubbish. There is a big difference between re rolling maps and playing the game in the intended way or boosting. I am quite capable of boosting, I am sat on beta keys have have given several away. The reason that I do not do it is due to ethics, plain and simple. You boost because it gives you an advantage and that is all there is to it.

Lots of people boost. This is still closed beta. Closed beta is a time for us to intentionally look for exploits and report them. That does not mean that you have to keep using the exploits after you have investigated them.

Of course I boost because it give me an advantage. I also roll maps because it does also.

I'm not seeing your point here?
Why is boosting wrong vs rerolling maps? Is it because they are level 1? So I should get my friends to level them to xyz level then have them in the area?

Lots of things gives advantages. I play with a good weapon. I trade people to get more powerful items. I also have friends give me their orbs. None of them are breaking rules.

Because rerolling maps is a feature intended by the developers. Boosting is an unintended mechanic that requires separate accounts. It is a terrible analogy. By your logic: what is the difference between rerolling maps and duping items? it was not that long ago that duping was possible in this game and did not even require the extra accounts. Was duping fair play?

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MrDDT wrote:

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hzflank wrote:

MrDDT...

Rubbish. There is a big difference between re rolling maps and playing the game in the intended way or boosting. I am quite capable of boosting, I am sat on beta keys have have given several away. The reason that I do not do it is due to ethics, plain and simple. You boost because it gives you an advantage and that is all there is to it.

Lots of people boost. This is still closed beta. Closed beta is a time for us to intentionally look for exploits and report them. That does not mean that you have to keep using the exploits after you have investigated them.

Of course I boost because it give me an advantage. I also roll maps because it does also.

I'm not seeing your point here?
Why is boosting wrong vs rerolling maps? Is it because they are level 1? So I should get my friends to level them to xyz level then have them in the area?

Lots of things gives advantages. I play with a good weapon. I trade people to get more powerful items. I also have friends give me their orbs. None of them are breaking rules.

You will do anything to win, no matter what, you're the type of person who would clearly continue to do WAHTEVER they must to gain an advantage, I don't for one second believe if GGG were to ban this, that it would make you stop, if you did stop you would likely find another avenue where you can gain some unfair advantage, and do whatever it takes so you GAIN in the long run.

It is about you winning, it is about a hierarchy. It is not about you wanting balance, these are excuses you make. At the end of the day you will do whatever you have to to win and if that means cheating you will do it, because you have such a blind/cynical way of seeing things that whatever you do is your "right" to do these actions.

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Cacia wrote:

All you people who think boosting is cheating are ridiculous. Just because you thinks it’s cheating does not make it so.

It’s taking advantage of game mechanic that is available to all. It’s not an exploit.

Get over it already.

Personally, I’d like to see something like they are doing in 1.0.5 in D3. Monster Power. Problem solved.

= booster, also likely 15 years-old.

OMG, the people defending boosting as been legal and fair game just because there is no rule against it, that's just pathetic, seriously... Hope GGG thinks of a good enough way to prevent this crap in the near future. People can boost their stupid asses even till lvl 101 if they like, just not in races that have like... oh guess what - REWARDS!
Big shoutout to all them boosters in default league, love ya guys, go take my place in top5 as I don't even care anymore, you've earned it "fair and square".

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Desbris wrote:

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MrDDT wrote:

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hzflank wrote:

MrDDT...

Rubbish. There is a big difference between re rolling maps and playing the game in the intended way or boosting. I am quite capable of boosting, I am sat on beta keys have have given several away. The reason that I do not do it is due to ethics, plain and simple. You boost because it gives you an advantage and that is all there is to it.

Lots of people boost. This is still closed beta. Closed beta is a time for us to intentionally look for exploits and report them. That does not mean that you have to keep using the exploits after you have investigated them.

Of course I boost because it give me an advantage. I also roll maps because it does also.

I'm not seeing your point here?
Why is boosting wrong vs rerolling maps? Is it because they are level 1? So I should get my friends to level them to xyz level then have them in the area?

Lots of things gives advantages. I play with a good weapon. I trade people to get more powerful items. I also have friends give me their orbs. None of them are breaking rules.

You will do anything to win, no matter what, you're the type of person who would clearly continue to do WAHTEVER they must to gain an advantage, I don't for one second believe if GGG were to ban this, that it would make you stop, if you did stop you would likely find another avenue where you can gain some unfair advantage, and do whatever it takes so you GAIN in the long run.

It is about you winning, it is about a hierarchy. It is not about you wanting balance, these are excuses you make. At the end of the day you will do whatever you have to to win and if that means cheating you will do it, because you have such a blind/cynical way of seeing things that whatever you do is your "right" to do these actions.

Do you not understand yet?

You keep using terms like "unfair" or "cheating" which, isnt the right thing. I believe its unfair, you do also. Does GGG? I dont know. Which is why I want it fixed. I've posted this myself. If you look I'm one of the first people to post about HOW it can be done. I told them over a month ago.

Do I play and try to gain an advantage? Yes. Of course. I will try to use the best weapons, armor, try to find ways to get the most exp, and find the best items, all within the rules of the game.

If they fix boosting, I will most likely find the best way to exp and do that. Some will call that "unfair" also. Things like "pre made parties" where I play with friends who run auras that boost peoples DPS, or things like parties where we split quests. I will also likely have friends that give me items to ensure I win, for NOTHING in return. Are these unfair? Well some will say yes, others will say no.

I showed last month (in the 2 week race) that I could easy take 2nd or first place. But Tebird and I said nawh, we wont do it because they will fix it and they know about it. Guess what. They didnt say anything about it. They didnt fix it, and clearly it wasnt top of the list to get fixed.

I think its making it very very clear (after making it even more well known) that it should be fixed.


I'm not going to try to prove to YOU that I dont care about the win. I want the game to do well, fixing boosting is much needed.

Try not to make this about who is or isnt boosting. Why dont you listen to what experienced people have to say and focus on the topic.


Let me ask you this. As this isnt really even a hypothetical one.

What if I'm in a 3h race. I get 5 people to go one side of cruel ledge, and I go the other.
I get 4.25x more exp this way.
Is this considered "boosting" and "unfair"?

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MyH4o wrote:

OMG, the people defending boosting as been legal and fair game just because there is no rule against it, that's just pathetic, seriously... Hope GGG thinks of a good enough way to prevent this crap in the near future. People can boost their stupid asses even till lvl 101 if they like, just not in races that have like... oh guess what - REWARDS!
Big shoutout to all them boosters in default league, love ya guys, go take my place in top5 as I don't even care anymore, you've earned it "fair and square".

Who is defending it?

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Desbris wrote:

You're cheating, and the fact you try to rationalize your reasons explains very much the type of person and gamer you are.

Explain how opening the client, logging in, partying, and going to a map is cheating. I'd love to hear it. There's no restriction on the number of clients ran or number of accounts owned, and even if there were I could probably run five of the six clients in virtual machines which is again perfectly legal.

I posted that I am opposed to boosting. I also posted that I do it. There's nothing to rationalize, because I am always going to do what is most effective within the game rules. Right now that is boosting. Don't hate the player. Hate the game. Even if no one else were boosting I'd do it, because it is legal. It is something that should be fixed or at least made less appealing on the development side, but until it is I will do it. Even if boosting is just even with partying I will probably do it so that I can play on my own time. Waiting around for other people sucks.

DDT's solution is actually alright. It's the only reasonable solution and viewpoint I've heard in this thread. I wouldn't listen to someone who has never boosted because they clearly don't understand the mindset of being effective or playing to win. Which makes it even more confusing, because that is the only type of player it effects tangibly. They just have an irrational hatred toward it for whatever reason. Just because you are doing something doesn't mean that you support the mechanic.

It's likely that they could make it against the rules for races. It's the logical thing to do, and it is much easier to enforce because you only have to look at the top however many players. I don't see why/how (literally unenforceable if the game is remotely popular after closed beta) they'd make it illegal in default/hardcore, though. Outside of changing party incentives, which is what they should do.


side note: thanks for the loot toggle tip DDT, it does help a lot.

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pay to win in closed beta

If paying $60 for a game is paying to win to you. I bought keys and at one point I figured this game wasn't for me. I won't bother retreading what I disliked about PoE, but it was a personal taste thing and I definitely support the developers of this game whether I play it or not.

You can get keys for 150fg @ jsp also, and considering d3 gold was like 1k fg:1m for a while that's pretty much free. It's $60 for a permanent number of stash tabs, too, for a game I intend on playing casually well after closed beta.

Paying to win is when a game requires a constant investment or an unreasonable one time investment to get ahead. Paying to win is the inevitable real money trade that crops up. I only participate in the latter as a seller (outside of games where $10-$20 will give you a ridiculous amount of things compared to actually playing), and any game with the former I just don't play.