GGG Please Figure out how to stop Boosting (screenshots included)

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Desbris wrote:

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Zakaluka wrote:

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Stretch163 wrote:

Des has hit the nail on the head here.

WHY are GGG allowing this and rewarding people for it ?

You've missed an important point.

How do you suggest GGG profile this behavior?

How easily could GGG's chosen method of profiling be circumvented?

When it's circumvented, should they strengthen their profiling?

It's an endless circle, and in the current state of the game policing it is simply wasted money. They have to get their systems worked out, first. Then maybe we see some policing. Rewards absolutely don't matter one bit with a complete wipe about a month and a half off.

summary: until the underlying systems that facilitate this behavior get addressed, trying to make and enforce some rules against it is simply a losing battle. Get the systems right first, then we'll see about rules. The rewards are good; they encourage people to playtest more.

Stop bringing up the typical rewards that get wiped, that is irrelevant, I have made it very clear I am referring to actual in-store credit and possibly physical goods. So therefore it DOES matter and for some people they believe it is unacceptable that these boosters will GREATLY benefit from this.

So Demigods is not going to be a physical reward carried over to OB.......

Enough said.

And GGG should suspend the issue of Demigods as it will be used in OB and will benefit people straight away.

Okay, i didn't knew hat the main share goes to highest lvl player, but still it seems like its not a big factor compared to the insane amount of xp boosters get. Boosters not only have the better xp gain, they also get way more currency out of a map which makes it far easier to reroll and sustain the map pool.

desbris, you have a point.

But the options right now are: put up with it, or don't give out shop points/demis until further notice.

You still have to answer the question posed: what method of policing it would work?

there isn't one.

Also, this is more a hardcore thing than default, but in hardcore the top 10 would be pretty much the same without boosting. For the record, I never made it past rank 30 or so. I'm not a cheater, but I recognize there's more to getting those top 10 spots than abuse.

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Funcrusher wrote:

well if you're all together and you share xp its not boosting at all.

What if the I'm level 82 and they are level 10 and we are all running around together? Is it considered boosting now?

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MrDDT wrote:

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Funcrusher wrote:

well if you're all together and you share xp its not boosting at all.

What if the I'm level 82 and they are level 10 and we are all running around together? Is it considered boosting now?

What if the level 10s were treated like level 72s (player level - 10, only for a cap to prevent boosting, not as a powerleveling mechanic for the level 10s, the level 10s still see the level 10's share of the pie) so you couldn't get a ridiculous share. Oh wait, I already suggested that. ;)

Does it boost you're xp substantially? yes? -> boosting. It's an abusive mechanic, so you kinda know the answer already. I can imagine some sort of cap like TheHammer suggested.

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Funcrusher wrote:

Does it boost you're xp substantially? yes? -> boosting. It's an abusive mechanic, so you kinda know the answer already. I can imagine some sort of cap like TheHammer suggested.

"substantially"
Is 5% bonus substantially? What about 10%? 15%? etc
So, where is the breaking point where I cant play with my friends? and I can play with my friends?
Is it 1 level? 5 levels? 10 levels? 20 levels? 50 levels?

Who gets to make that choice? Is it you? Is it GGG? Is it me?

My point is that, you are trying to call it "bannable" yet there is no rule broken. You are trying to set your rules on other people.

The boosting should be fixed so there isnt a "Well I think its exploiting" and someone else is "I dont think so, its the way it is".

TehHammer, I already showed how yours is flawed.

The key is they need to make a party bonus without it being out of control to force people to party.
They also need to make it so that you dont want to "boost". There is nothing wrong with boosting IMO, IF there is no real advantage.

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MrDDT wrote:

TehHammer, I already showed how yours is flawed.

And I already showed you the flaws in yours. The difference is I adjusted mine.

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The key is they need to make a party bonus without it being out of control to force people to party.
They also need to make it so that you dont want to "boost". There is nothing wrong with boosting IMO, IF there is no real advantage.

Absolutely agree with this. Partying should have benefits other than drop increases, more bodies to distract tough enemies, etc., specifically exp bonuses, but it does need to be under control and boosting should lose those exp advantages. Wandering off in a full party to clear a section the rest missed, should not.

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Zakaluka wrote:

desbris, you have a point.

But the options right now are: put up with it, or don't give out shop points/demis until further notice.

You still have to answer the question posed: what method of policing it would work?

there isn't one.

Also, this is more a hardcore thing than default, but in hardcore the top 10 would be pretty much the same without boosting. For the record, I never made it past rank 30 or so. I'm not a cheater, but I recognize there's more to getting those top 10 spots than abuse.

Yeah I agree Zak, of course it is impossible to say whether the top 10 would be the same, as a few people have already stated they have been kicked out from it due to certain players gaining impossible amounts of exp quickly.

But it just feels as if GGG does not mind this course of action as if it is somewhat acceptable. And I simply do not understand the people who say it is still acceptable to do boosting because it "allows the developers to know about the bug". Well, they already KNOW about it, they already HAVE internal testers, this is such a smoke screen comment it makes me laugh, it is a way for people to blatantly cheat whilst trying to excuse their actions and palm it off as if it is fine and acceptable.

Cheating all in all, displays what people's true character is like and that is a fact. Anyone who cheats so that they gain and prosper know what they are doing is wrong, but know they are willing to do whatever it takes to WIN. There is no on grey area about it, because the issues are now known, simple as, and the rewards are very real.

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Desbris wrote:

Cheating all in all, displays what people's true character is like and that is a fact. Anyone who cheats so that they gain and prosper know what they are doing is wrong, but know they are willing to do whatever it takes to WIN. There is no on grey area about it, because the issues are now known, simple as, and the rewards are very real.

Can you answer a question?

What if get 5 friends to play the level 1s on their computers. Is it considered "cheating"?

What if I level all the "boosters" to 60 first?

What if I level them to 50?

What if I get 5 of my friends to play level 50s and run around the map with me?

No grey area now?