OP Legacy Uniques are the worst decision i've seen from the devs thus far
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
Here's one right off the top of my head (not sure how good it is): What if we had a non-Legacy PvP mode for Standard and Hardcore leagues? Simply put, any legacy unique (or legacy Onyx amulet with its superior +all attributes mod, etc.) would ban your character from participation. This would allow new characters to challenge very old characters on an even playing field in Standard PvP.
Now, honestly, Scrotie, do you see devs doing that, given their general stance on PvP and legacy? What's a game mode compared to feelings of couple hundred players? What's a whole league? What's a whole game? Those things go one step at a time.
And, honestly, I don't see the reason for the whole thing, it's not just 'your' item getting the hammer, everyone will suffer the same, past, present and future owners of such. Fairness is an ideal never to be obtained in real world, there are too many issues, but in virtual one we could get damn close to it.
This isn't about some items that Jack or Jill have, this is about principles.
Wish the armchair developers would go back to developing armchairs.
well, who will spend 60 exalts on an item in the future if there is a possibility that it get nerfed in few patches ?
People are grinding to get gear, if you nerf gear badly , who will invest time in this game anymore ?
Of course people sitting on 3k exalts won't care much, but many casuals are playing 6 months to pay 1 Kaom or 1 Shav, how could they feel after a legacy nerf ?
Ofc there is a balance issue for PvP but I am pretty sure that GGG will find a solution here.
@raics: I am utterly confused. Are you saying the devs don't give a shit about us or something? To answer the one part of your post which I could decipher:
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raics wrote:
do you see devs doing that, given their general stance on PvP and legacy?
It seems a hell of a lot more likely than getting them to flip-flop on the legacy uniques issue as a whole.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
As a player who up to this point has only played standard exclusively I have never been so disappointed by a change in this game. I'm not here to just cry and threaten to leave the game or anything but I definitely want to be heard on the subject regardless.
The devs decided that there was a need to nerf some of the uniques. Some people agree and some people don't. If the devs feel that there was a need then great I am behind them. However if you only nerf future versions of the unique then the effect on the leagues that will have the old uniques is that the OP uniques are now more important and powerful than they were before. The problem you were attempting to fix is effectively worse.
I realize that this isn't a problem for those who don't play standard and don't care about it, but what about the players that do? GGG knows how many people play standard exclusively or the majority of the time. It means that the main game for a huge portion of players is now more messed up than it was before. GGG why did you do this? There had to be a better way that this. I have always been against uniques deemed over powered but making them legacy is far worse to me. I would rather you never changed them at all.
I know standard is a "dumping grounds" or "legacy" league as many of you call it. But please try to look at it from my perspective for a second. I thought I could enjoy playing standard the way that I wanted to do it and always be content with the game. I felt the devs still cared about standard just like the other leagues because really I have had no reason to think that they didn't. This change really makes me look at the game differently. I hope I am wrong but I feel I will look at the game differently now that there are uniques that you can't find that are much better than their droppable counterparts. It really might actually make me look at standard in a very negative light.
I hope I get over it but I have never been so disappointed since I began to play in closed beta. Maybe it won't be as bad as my initial reaction here. I hope not.
Please keep all comments constructive. I still love this game.
Well, I can at least rest assured that my previous opinion of you was totally justified. When it comes to a controversial, populist issue where the (apparent) majority is in the wrong, it certainly appears you can count on iamstriker to stand on the side of wrongness.
Here's the important thing to consider here: there are players who love their old unique items. They farmed them or traded for them, they are theirs rightfully; I guess there are some crooks too, but fuck them, I'm talking about the innocent here. They want to keep these items, and you know what? They should be able to. That's why GGG did it; they were thinking about the rights and desires a group other than you.
And just like with the loot options issue, your suggestion is to marginalize a playstyle not your own, boosting yours at its expense. (Granted, last time you were much more subtle; but can we not agree by now that the introduction of loot options meant the death of Short Allocation? Can we at least stop pretending that which is dead has not been murdered?)
Now I'm not saying that your particular playstyle isn't a little deteriorated by this. I agree that it is. But a suggestion that addresses your rights and your desires is no longer just if it infringes on the rights and desires of others. There should be a place where legacy uniques exist; and if not in the "legacy league," if not in the "dumping ground," then where?
Thus the challenge is finding solutions to your plight that don't inflict plights on others. Just as with the loot options thing, there is a tangible problem which requires solving, it's just that the obvious solutions are the immoral ones, and therefore it's necessary to put on one's thinking cap and seek solutions which benefit your playstyle at the expense of no one. This solutions will not be easy or obvious. The obvious, immoral option will be the most popular, and we must fight it while coming up with better solutions.
Here's one right off the top of my head (not sure how good it is): What if we had a non-Legacy PvP mode for Standard and Hardcore leagues? Simply put, any legacy unique (or legacy Onyx amulet with its superior +all attributes mod, etc.) would ban your character from participation. This would allow new characters to challenge very old characters on an even playing field in Standard PvP.
Perhaps the same concept with a ladder; if the character has legacy items equipped or has ever had them equipped (after a certain date specified by GGG to give players some time to make their characters "non-Legacy legal"), their character is ineligible for this ladder. That way you can see who levels the best playing it fair.
Stuff like that, iamstryker — that's where your brain should be going here. Don't invest your effort and intellect in trying to figure out ways to take legacy items away from the players who love them; instead, try to figure out ways to carve out a niche for yourself without infringing on others. I believe you can do it, if you try. However, I'm not holding my breath.
I have *insert op legacy item* and want to keep it that way.
The fact is you dont deserve to have a versikn that is better than other peolle can have. End of story. You cannot articulate a solid reason why the next ten milloin kaoms/shavs/facebreakers should all be worse than yous except you own elitism.
@raics: I am utterly confused. Are you saying the devs don't give a shit about us or something? To answer the one part of your post which I could decipher:
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raics wrote:
do you see devs doing that, given their general stance on PvP and legacy?
It seems a hell of a lot more likely than getting them to flip-flop on the legacy uniques issue as a whole.
I do, but not about 'us'. Time invested in PvP development has so far been symbolic at best, 'we have a PvP mode' is all they can currently say with any degree of honesty. They made quite a quagmire with all this (fairly unnecessary) legacy crap and for what? Not to offend a few hundred owners of such items (of which many support a global reroll, I might add).
And yes, I'm aware they won't go back on that decision, as are many others. And no, that is not a reason to keep my mouth shut. Not because of this particular decision, this is a lost cause, but for future ones.
Wish the armchair developers would go back to developing armchairs.
well, who will spend 60 exalts on an item in the future if there is a possibility that it get nerfed in few patches ?
People are grinding to get gear, if you nerf gear badly , who will invest time in this game anymore ?
Of course people sitting on 3k exalts won't care much, but many casuals are playing 6 months to pay 1 Kaom or 1 Shav, how could they feel after a legacy nerf ?
Ofc there is a balance issue for PvP but I am pretty sure that GGG will find a solution here.
well....i don't know why ur crying....there gonna be a lot of change after the release and maybe AT the release, also theres new 'OP' unique incoming. and you need OP item to be a OP player ?
Every 4 month we a have new leagues and when league ends all ur INSANE staff going to hc. if u wasnt rep ofc. So HC its just for ur stash and ur insane chars. So stop crying. So many legues a cooming and so many new kaoms or same shit. This game a awesome. U a Just cant understand it. Look at other games - ua have just old screenshots. If ua realy good and dont going die. u can keep ur staff forever :D Its funny and paininass for someguys :D but its true =) now it looks terrible, but after 12-16 month... Awesome =) U didn't think about that??
And my english :D Im sorry :D
its my post from other tread..
and au realy cant beat game without OP kaoms? ;D go D3 bro, AH and no new leagues ;D
Legacy worth 1258716713689169ex not because its OP. because its LEGACY. so STOP CRYING, after few days u'll be farm new unique like Kaoms.
Hi. I haven't played since june and haven't followed PoE very closely. I'm playing on HC and got these two items. Do I lose them now or do they just change automatically? Are they worth more or less now? I'm confused. Nwm the gem setup - I used to switch them around.
You are now super-rich along with some other people like us :D. The demand for them will keep increasing, while the supply will decrease and decrease; if lucky they will be so valuable later on that noone will sell them for ingame currency.
