OP Legacy Uniques are the worst decision i've seen from the devs thus far

Hi. I haven't played since june and haven't followed PoE very closely. I'm playing on HC and got these two items. Do I lose them now or do they just change automatically? Are they worth more or less now? I'm confused. Nwm the gem setup - I used to switch them around.

Everyone thats conplaining needs to open there eyes in standard theres people with thousands of exalts and mirrored or mirror worthy gear that worth 200ex plus a piece its never going to be even

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Nihlek wrote:

Hi. I haven't played since june and haven't followed PoE very closely. I'm playing on HC and got these two items. Do I lose them now or do they just change automatically? Are they worth more or less now? I'm confused. Nwm the gem setup - I used to switch them around.

You are now super-rich along with some other people like us :D. The demand for them will keep increasing, while the supply will decrease and decrease; if lucky they will be so valuable later on that noone will sell them for ingame currency.

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Schnupfndrache7 wrote:

http://strawpoll.me/592854

Very nice

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mazul wrote:

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Nihlek wrote:

Hi. I haven't played since june and haven't followed PoE very closely. I'm playing on HC and got these two items. Do I lose them now or do they just change automatically? Are they worth more or less now? I'm confused. Nwm the gem setup - I used to switch them around.

You are now super-rich along with some other people like us :D. The demand for them will keep increasing, while the supply will decrease and decrease; if lucky they will be so valuable later on that noone will sell them for ingame currency.

Yea. Way to stop that rmt ggg

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iamstryker wrote:

Spoiler

As a player who up to this point has only played standard exclusively I have never been so disappointed by a change in this game. I'm not here to just cry and threaten to leave the game or anything but I definitely want to be heard on the subject regardless.

The devs decided that there was a need to nerf some of the uniques. Some people agree and some people don't. If the devs feel that there was a need then great I am behind them. However if you only nerf future versions of the unique then the effect on the leagues that will have the old uniques is that the OP uniques are now more important and powerful than they were before. The problem you were attempting to fix is effectively worse.

I realize that this isn't a problem for those who don't play standard and don't care about it, but what about the players that do? GGG knows how many people play standard exclusively or the majority of the time. It means that the main game for a huge portion of players is now more messed up than it was before. GGG why did you do this? There had to be a better way that this. I have always been against uniques deemed over powered but making them legacy is far worse to me. I would rather you never changed them at all.

I know standard is a "dumping grounds" or "legacy" league as many of you call it. But please try to look at it from my perspective for a second. I thought I could enjoy playing standard the way that I wanted to do it and always be content with the game. I felt the devs still cared about standard just like the other leagues because really I have had no reason to think that they didn't. This change really makes me look at the game differently. I hope I am wrong but I feel I will look at the game differently now that there are uniques that you can't find that are much better than their droppable counterparts. It really might actually make me look at standard in a very negative light.

I hope I get over it but I have never been so disappointed since I began to play in closed beta. Maybe it won't be as bad as my initial reaction here. I hope not.

Please keep all comments constructive. I still love this game.

Well, I can at least rest assured that my previous opinion of you was totally justified. When it comes to a controversial, populist issue where the (apparent) majority is in the wrong, it certainly appears you can count on iamstriker to stand on the side of wrongness.

Here's the important thing to consider here: there are players who love their old unique items. They farmed them or traded for them, they are theirs rightfully; I guess there are some crooks too, but fuck them, I'm talking about the innocent here. They want to keep these items, and you know what? They should be able to. That's why GGG did it; they were thinking about the rights and desires a group other than you.

And just like with the loot options issue, your suggestion is to marginalize a playstyle not your own, boosting yours at its expense. (Granted, last time you were much more subtle; but can we not agree by now that the introduction of loot options meant the death of Short Allocation? Can we at least stop pretending that which is dead has not been murdered?)

Now I'm not saying that your particular playstyle isn't a little deteriorated by this. I agree that it is. But a suggestion that addresses your rights and your desires is no longer just if it infringes on the rights and desires of others. There should be a place where legacy uniques exist; and if not in the "legacy league," if not in the "dumping ground," then where?

Thus the challenge is finding solutions to your plight that don't inflict plights on others. Just as with the loot options thing, there is a tangible problem which requires solving, it's just that the obvious solutions are the immoral ones, and therefore it's necessary to put on one's thinking cap and seek solutions which benefit your playstyle at the expense of no one. This solutions will not be easy or obvious. The obvious, immoral option will be the most popular, and we must fight it while coming up with better solutions.

Here's one right off the top of my head (not sure how good it is): What if we had a non-Legacy PvP mode for Standard and Hardcore leagues? Simply put, any legacy unique (or legacy Onyx amulet with its superior +all attributes mod, etc.) would ban your character from participation. This would allow new characters to challenge very old characters on an even playing field in Standard PvP.

Perhaps the same concept with a ladder; if the character has legacy items equipped or has ever had them equipped (after a certain date specified by GGG to give players some time to make their characters "non-Legacy legal"), their character is ineligible for this ladder. That way you can see who levels the best playing it fair.

Stuff like that, iamstryker — that's where your brain should be going here. Don't invest your effort and intellect in trying to figure out ways to take legacy items away from the players who love them; instead, try to figure out ways to carve out a niche for yourself without infringing on others. I believe you can do it, if you try. However, I'm not holding my breath.

What if a few months down the road there is an item released that is better than kaoms?

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

Spoiler

As a player who up to this point has only played standard exclusively I have never been so disappointed by a change in this game. I'm not here to just cry and threaten to leave the game or anything but I definitely want to be heard on the subject regardless.

The devs decided that there was a need to nerf some of the uniques. Some people agree and some people don't. If the devs feel that there was a need then great I am behind them. However if you only nerf future versions of the unique then the effect on the leagues that will have the old uniques is that the OP uniques are now more important and powerful than they were before. The problem you were attempting to fix is effectively worse.

I realize that this isn't a problem for those who don't play standard and don't care about it, but what about the players that do? GGG knows how many people play standard exclusively or the majority of the time. It means that the main game for a huge portion of players is now more messed up than it was before. GGG why did you do this? There had to be a better way that this. I have always been against uniques deemed over powered but making them legacy is far worse to me. I would rather you never changed them at all.

I know standard is a "dumping grounds" or "legacy" league as many of you call it. But please try to look at it from my perspective for a second. I thought I could enjoy playing standard the way that I wanted to do it and always be content with the game. I felt the devs still cared about standard just like the other leagues because really I have had no reason to think that they didn't. This change really makes me look at the game differently. I hope I am wrong but I feel I will look at the game differently now that there are uniques that you can't find that are much better than their droppable counterparts. It really might actually make me look at standard in a very negative light.

I hope I get over it but I have never been so disappointed since I began to play in closed beta. Maybe it won't be as bad as my initial reaction here. I hope not.

Please keep all comments constructive. I still love this game.

Well, I can at least rest assured that my previous opinion of you was totally justified. When it comes to a controversial, populist issue where the (apparent) majority is in the wrong, it certainly appears you can count on iamstriker to stand on the side of wrongness.

Here's the important thing to consider here: there are players who love their old unique items. They farmed them or traded for them, they are theirs rightfully; I guess there are some crooks too, but fuck them, I'm talking about the innocent here. They want to keep these items, and you know what? They should be able to. That's why GGG did it; they were thinking about the rights and desires a group other than you.

And just like with the loot options issue, your suggestion is to marginalize a playstyle not your own, boosting yours at its expense. (Granted, last time you were much more subtle; but can we not agree by now that the introduction of loot options meant the death of Short Allocation?)

Now I'm not saying that your particular playstyle isn't a little deteriorated by this. I agree that it is. But a suggestion that addresses your rights and your desires is no longer just if it infringes on the rights and desires of others. There should be a place where legacy uniques exist; and if not in the "legacy league," if not in the "dumping ground," then where?

Thus the challenge is finding solutions to your plight that don't inflict plights on others. Just as with the loot options thing, there is a tangible problem which requires solving, it's just that the obvious solutions are the immoral ones, and therefore it's necessary to put on one's thinking cap and finding solutions which benefit your playstyle at the expense of no one. This solutions will not be easy or obvious. The obvious, immoral option will be the most popular, and we must fight it while coming up with better solutions.

Here's one right off the top of my head (not sure how good it is): What if we had a non-Legacy PvP mode for Standard and Hardcore leagues? Simply put, any legacy unique (or legacy Onyx amulet with its superior +all attributes mod, etc.) would ban your character from participation. This would allow new characters to challenge very old characters on an even playing field in Standard PvP.

Perhaps the same concept with a ladder; if the character has legacy items equipped or has ever had them equipped (after a certain date specified by GGG to give players some time to make their characters "non-Legacy legal"), their character is ineligible for this ladder. That way you can see who levels the best playing it fair.

Stuff like that, iamstryker — that's where your brain should be going here. Don't invest your effort and intellect in trying to figure out ways to take legacy items away from the players who love them; instead, try to figure out ways to carve out a niche for yourself without infringing on others. I believe you can do it, if you try. However, I'm not holding my breath.

+1

Well said!

;)

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Slider13 wrote:

"Hey guys, we don't want Iran getting more nukes so lets blow up their reactor. "

"Okay but we should probably let them keep the ones they have no, you no to be fair and not hurt their feelings."




Derp.......

^ This. Just no.