General Discussion - OP Legacy Uniques are the worst decision i've seen from the devs thus far - Forum

" iamstryker wrote: As a player who up to this point has only played standard exclusively I have never been so disappointed by a change in this game. I'm not here to just cry and threaten to leave the game or anything but I definitely want to be heard on the subject regardless. The devs decided that there was a need to nerf some of the uniques. Some people agree and some people don't. If the devs feel that there was a need then great I am behind them. However if you only nerf future versions of the unique then the effect on the leagues that will have the old uniques is that the OP uniques are now more important and powerful than they were before. The problem you were attempting to fix is effectively worse. I realize that this isn't a problem for those who don't play standard and don't care about it, but what about the players that do? GGG knows how many people play standard exclusively or the majority of the time. It means that the main game for a huge portion of players is now more messed up than it was before. GGG why did you do this? There had to be a better way that this. I have always been against uniques deemed over powered but making them legacy is far worse to me. I would rather you never changed them at all. I know standard is a "dumping grounds" or "legacy" league as many of you call it. But please try to look at it from my perspective for a second. I thought I could enjoy playing standard the way that I wanted to do it and always be content with the game. I felt the devs still cared about standard just like the other leagues because really I have had no reason to think that they didn't. This change really makes me look at the game differently. I hope I am wrong but I feel I will look at the game differently now that there are uniques that you can't find that are much better than their droppable counterparts. It really might actually make me look at standard in a very negative light. I hope I get over it but I have never been so disappointed since I began to play in closed beta. Maybe it won't be as bad as my initial reaction here. I hope not. Please keep all comments constructive. I still love this game. Very very very well said, could'nt add more. +1 to you sir. IGN: DoYouLikeJazzEvan CelSonic	Posted by comparn#3988 on Oct 23, 2013, 1:55:11 AM Quote this Post
" Tomorrow wrote: " Nephalim wrote: this has been the most hectic day in the history of poe, shortly to be topped by tomorrow. I have very mixed feelings about the aura changes, legacy unique and nothing being done to fix maze requirements on maps but I think in 1 week things wont seem so bad. What did I this time.......... I lol'ed on this one ;) IGN: DoYouLikeJazzEvan CelSonic	Posted by comparn#3988 on Oct 23, 2013, 1:56:18 AM Quote this Post
Item's don't need to be nerfed, this isn't an e-sport. just lock out certain uniques from being used in pvp problem solved. I was literally 1 day away from saving up enough exalted to buy a 6l shav then the patch came and now its price is twice the amount I saved in 1 day. Sure these items are OP but I think they are perfect for standard league. IGN: PixelPopper, PixiePopper Once you Pop you can't stop!	Posted by Skorched#2750 on Oct 23, 2013, 2:01:38 AM Quote this Post
don't see this as a problem for most people. some points rehashed. -D2 style legacy uniques... many of us are used to that idea and are even missing it. -rewards people in on ground floor, ty for supporting, here is your bonus... trade with the new players when they have earned enough to afford prepatch gear and benefit from believing in POE before the new guys did. why not right? -don't worry it only effects standard. new players should really try a league first, and only live in standard after if they are casual... otherwise get back into a new league. -however the affected items are from a period of radically different game balance, and are thereby imbalanced by default under new balance for the worse or for the better. or EPIC better. -Imbalance in standard is inevitable and should not be actively moderated at the cost of anything meaningful. all other leagues should be moderated in terms of balance with more vigor effort and expense.	Posted by AgnosiousD#2205 on Oct 23, 2013, 2:02:17 AM Quote this Post
" AgnosiousD wrote: don't see this as a problem for most people. some points rehashed. -don't worry it only effects standard. new players should really try a league first, and only live in standard after if they are casual... otherwise get back into a new league. -Imbalance in standard is inevitable and should not be actively moderated at the cost of anything meaningful. all other leagues should be moderated in terms of balance with more vigor effort and expense. "When you create a character in Path of Exile, you choose a league for that character to exist in. We expect and encourage most players to play in the default league, but other leagues exist for specific play styles or events." -Leagues description Standard is the main league in this game, according to GGG. It is not a goddamn trash can. Just be honest and say "I don't wanna give up my OP items" because all these pseudo-arguements make no sense whatsoever.	Posted by dontsleep#4897 on Oct 23, 2013, 2:14:51 AM Quote this Post
As someone who doesn't play 8 hours a day and periodically takes breaks, I really wish there was a permanent league that wasn't a dumpster for every other league and didn't contain OP legacy items. I don't log enough hours to be competitive in 4 month leagues but my overall goal is to eventually build a few gg pvp characters in a permanent league. If these legacy items are disabled in pvp I won't care too much but if they aren't then there is much less insensitive for me to play.	Posted by Relic416#7413 on Oct 23, 2013, 2:37:03 AM Quote this Post
I have almost all the legacy items in question, and I agree this is the worst decision theyve made so far. Oh well, Im off to league play anyway :)	Posted by zzcorey#1879 on Oct 23, 2013, 2:40:19 AM Quote this Post
Deal with it. Its not game breaking because no legacy items in the new leagues. People always make fun of standard and now its so important that legacy items gotta go?	Posted by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013, 2:41:53 AM
" dontsleep wrote: " AgnosiousD wrote: don't see this as a problem for most people. some points rehashed. -don't worry it only effects standard. new players should really try a league first, and only live in standard after if they are casual... otherwise get back into a new league. -Imbalance in standard is inevitable and should not be actively moderated at the cost of anything meaningful. all other leagues should be moderated in terms of balance with more vigor effort and expense. "When you create a character in Path of Exile, you choose a league for that character to exist in. We expect and encourage most players to play in the default league, but other leagues exist for specific play styles or events." -Leagues description Standard is the main league in this game, according to GGG. It is not a goddamn trash can. Just be honest and say "I don't wanna give up my OP items" because all these pseudo-arguements make no sense whatsoever. alright, my opinion and GGG's opinion on standard differ and we'll go with theirs... they say standard is where most activity is expected so that does lend a lot to your defense. Its just that things will change and change and change again and when this happened in d2, people got angry about OP prepatch items (legacy items) so blizz set up ladder seasons (leagues) to allow a new economy for anyone who wanted it. this is the same solution... I hated soulscratch and only ran sorcs because of that until ladder seasons started. (dont talk about harp... I never bothered fighting zons.) anyway. the nature of the games continuing evolution will repeatedly find situations where items from the past are better than items in the future and here we are. how do we solve it? D3 solved it in a thuggish way by wiping all items to the new standard. old uniques = new version, old rare items (55% ED was max, new max is 35% ED therefore your epic sword is now only strong, and some other dude with a similar mace is unaffected) ** edit crossed my wires here with another thread sry * so if you keep dropping prepatch gear in standard.... will it always be BETA gear ? as NON-BETA gear drops no one in standard will covet it as it shows up so people from other leagues will be punished for joining standard. someone always gets the short end. your proposing a world where only BETA items drop in standard. ***** / edit you didn't propose that sry. Last edited by AgnosiousD#2205 on Oct 23, 2013, 2:46:33 AM	Posted by AgnosiousD#2205 on Oct 23, 2013, 2:42:41 AM Quote this Post
" dontsleep wrote: " AgnosiousD wrote: don't see this as a problem for most people. some points rehashed. -don't worry it only effects standard. new players should really try a league first, and only live in standard after if they are casual... otherwise get back into a new league. -Imbalance in standard is inevitable and should not be actively moderated at the cost of anything meaningful. all other leagues should be moderated in terms of balance with more vigor effort and expense. "When you create a character in Path of Exile, you choose a league for that character to exist in. We expect and encourage most players to play in the default league, but other leagues exist for specific play styles or events." -Leagues description Standard is the main league in this game, according to GGG. It is not a goddamn trash can. Just be honest and say "I don't wanna give up my OP items" because all these pseudo-arguments make no sense whatsoever. 1. Idea of Poe is to play different leagues and continuously build characters (which im sick and tired of doing, if it doesn't feel rewarding due to nerfs or changes or whatever devs or community thinks they should do. 2. I dislike the idea of legacy items and I feel sorry for new players who can't get ceratin items, just because they started out late (its ok with race uniques/items as they usually have same spec as normal counterpart). 3. The default is trash bin or recycle bin, that is just how it is, like D2, I personally hate it. overall, playing this game don't seem to feel rewarding at all. My Craft Logs-thread/359202	Posted by Galneryus#1425 on Oct 23, 2013, 2:53:34 AM Banned Quote this Post