Steam lists PoE as an MMO?

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AusterlitZ wrote:

All the people saying PoE is an MMO are lucky stupidity doesn't hurt,otherwise i could hear you scream in agony from miles away

Massively - check.
Multiplayer - check.
Online - check.

= MMO.

All the people saying PoE isn't an MMO have fail for brains.

i don't have a bias against mmo's (whatever your definition is) but to me if there are lots of people online playing together, then it's an mmo. What's the problem? torchlight 2 can be played entirely offline. poe? last time i checked i had to log in to play and had to deal with people running around in town, and a chat system. online? check. massive (lots of people)? check. multiplayer? yup.

I think the problem is most people have a very limited idea of what an mmorpg looks like. It has to have the same camera, same skill bars, same end-game content (raids lol). If you can back away and look at it from further away, mmorpg would work for poe.

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Reizoko wrote:

bhavv: I see you didn't understand my post.

Let me tell you the keyword one more time: Persistent world

Persistent world isn't a keyword for MMO, games can be persistent whether they are single player or multiplayer.

Age of Conan and DDO both use instancing throughout the game. No one has ever stated that either game is not an MMO because instancing / lack of persistant worlds are not the defining criteria of an MMO.

Massive, multiplayer, and online are the only three definitions required for a game to be an MMO.

MMO is whatever chooses to call itself MMO.

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bhavv wrote:

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Reizoko wrote:

bhavv: I see you didn't understand my post.

Let me tell you the keyword one more time: Persistent world

Persistent world isn't a keyword for MMO, games can be persistent whether they are single player or multiplayer.

Yes, it is pretty much THE keyword for MMO.
Anyway, I'm done with this discussion.
It's not that I dislike MMORPGs or anything like that, in fact I like them. It's just that this game happens to not be one.
Feel free to believe whatever you want.

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Semantics aside, I do know people that would see "MMO" and not even install the game. Whereas if it was listed as ARPG, they would.

Then they might install and uninstall ;)


PoE plays far too much like a MMORPG.
I call it instanced MMO.


I don't define Online games if it's online only or there is a SP campain.

So possible Genres would be:
RPG: Nope. RPGs are heavily Storybased, Drops are fixed. Max level Reached

ARPG/Hack'n Slash: Nope. Hack'n Slash are really fast paced games. Crafting is really easy. Doing MF runs doesn't requre much time. It's heavily based on the skilled character and the ability to play. The normal player can reach 5-10 levels under max level in no time.

MMORPG: Yes. Slow Paced check. Pure Gearcheck Mechanics check, Grinding takes forever check, extremly slow level progress at some point check.

The problem with referring to PoE as an MMORPG is it's going to attract players expecting WoW and other similar MMORPG game like mechanics.

PoE is nothing like WoW as it most closely resembles a Dungeon Crawler. Dungeon Crawler seems to be a lost genre today as all similar games get labeled as either an MMORPG or ARPG while neither term is very descriptive or entirely accurate.

From the infallible Wikipedia,

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A dungeon crawl is a type of scenario in fantasy role-playing games in which heroes navigate a labyrinthine environment, battling various monsters, and looting any treasure they may find. Because of its simplicity, a dungeon crawl can be easier for a game master to run than more complex adventures, and the "hack and slash" style of play is appreciated by players who focus on action and combat.

I would say this perfectly fits PoE

Yep, and it has the same level of gear grinding as the most notorious grind based MMOs out there, as well as EXP scaling with levels.

The EXP curve is just like Korean grindfest MMOs with exponential XP curves, and the gear grind is like any typical MMO where you have something like a 0.01% chance of getting the best items drop.

- Path of Exile is not an MMO, by definition or logic.
- Path of Exile is an Online ARPG.
- The developers don't even call it an MMO.
- If you think this game is an MMO, then virtually every single online game is an MMO, and that is obviously fucking stupid.

The state of gamer knowledge on gamer definitions is pathetic.