Chromatic orbs are bullshit.

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PigBoyneo wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

3 Red sockets on a chest isn't really difficult to roll.
3 Red on a dext/int chest is already a bit more, but manageable.

38 Stacks Chroms rolled 3 red 4 times and 4 red once

R-R-R-B-B-G
R-R-R-B-B-G
R-R-R-B-B-B
R-R-R-R-B-B
R-R-R-B-G-G

Then you were freaking lucky.
I neede more than 100 or 200 to roll even 1 3Red sockets combination if I4m not mistaking.
Rng, rng ...

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Fruz wrote:

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PigBoyneo wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

3 Red sockets on a chest isn't really difficult to roll.
3 Red on a dext/int chest is already a bit more, but manageable.

38 Stacks Chroms rolled 3 red 4 times and 4 red once

R-R-R-B-B-G
R-R-R-B-B-G
R-R-R-B-B-B
R-R-R-R-B-B
R-R-R-B-G-G

Then you were freaking lucky.
I neede more than 100 or 200 to roll even 1 3Red sockets combination if I4m not mistaking.
Rng, rng ...

38 Stacks = 760 chroms (got my colour combo on 764th) doesn't feel very lucky to me to spend almost ex and half on a chest just so I can even use it. And don't get me started on the chaos sink it turning into (30 so far and that was my first health roll...)

Missread :>
Though you meant 38 chroms lol ^^".

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Fruz wrote:

Missread :>
Though you meant 38 chroms lol ^^".

lol np, thought you may have, if only it had taken 38 chroms :(

I agree with OP.

It severely limits build diversity especially when it comes to CI.
Nothing short perfect hybrid chests is ever going to provide enough energy shield to make CI characters viable, especially in the case where you have to give up a slot (like a shield), so settling for hybrid gear for socket colours doesn't work, unless you think it's okay for an endgame character using CI to have like 4k... (it's not okay.)

800 ES on the chest + 350 on the hat + 150 on the boots + 200 on the gloves => 1500 raw ES.

with the minimum ES nodes ( not many points ) => 1500*3 = 4500.
Add discipline => 5500.

And I bet that you can get to 7k with a bit more investment in ES in the passive skill tree.

Now, about colors, 3 reds allow a lot of combinations already, plus if you are using a 2H weapon ( since you don't use a shield, it's either 2H or DW ), no problems for getting red sockets.
But let's assume that you use DW :

melee physical
melee damage full
dual strike
melee splash
power charge on crit

would be an optimal 5L combination for exemple, you can swap one of the melee +dmg gem for a multistrike, or use alt to get a 6L with RRRRGB ( need hybrid chest for that, can roll 800 ES too though, even if it's more unlikely ).

PigBoyneo just told us that he god a 4 red socket combination on a hybrid chest, it should at least be as possible on a raw int chest as well.


This is what I'm using :

Is it efficient ? yes
does it give a lot of ES ? yes
Can it get even better ( ES speakin ) ? yes it could ( it eventually will ).

Don't say that melee CI isn't viable because of such matters, because it is.

Just want to let you know, the ABSOLUTE HIGHEST possible hard energy shield possible from Carnal Armor is

(105+145)*(1 + 0.2 + 1.2+ 0.56) = 740.
Saintly chainmails will have a bit less.

Highest hybrid is similarily
(63+72)*(1 + 0.2 + 1.2+ 0.56) = 400.

But since you missed a 1.12 multiplier and other gear spots for overall ES, your estimates are still pretty close to what it should be.

Of course stuff like hubris helmets are probably viable and can go over 500, and 350-400 is still within affordable (viable) ranges for builds.

Discipline is very difficult to run in conjunction with many of the auras a melee character would run, but otherwise other type of CI characters would benefit from it. A melee character cannot really invest much more than 230% ES/'ES from int' by the time they reach approximately lvl 90, without missing out on many aura nodes, other defensive nodes, or a few offensive nodes.

But the point is, after that, you 4500-6000 es if you are more ES heavy on the tree and run discipline.
And you probably have 1 or 2 hybrid piece worth of armor or evasion. If you are running discipline, you are losing out on another 60% aura.

While I love the idea of melee physical CI, try to tell me this is viable compared to having the same life pool, lots more armor and evasion, and not forced to use either unwavering stance or eye of chayula. Substitute melee on full life for the worse added fire and I think any benefits provided to CI becomes heavily outweighed for it's gear requirement, painful leveling process, respec...
Seems marginally viable.

EDIT: before people think this is off topic,
as a reminder
hybrid armors -> chromes correlation.
Alternate to chromes is generally hybrid armors, which are not that viable for CI builds.

Well I'm purely using hybrid stuff :


( and sin trek )

With an 1H axe, and I even have carnage heart which reduces my overal ES.
Discipline and Hatred are by far the 2 best auras for me, and I have over 40% bloc, 40% evasion, I have 38% stun avoidance, Freeze Immunity ( DF ) and 75% chances to avoid being chilled.

It's working well so far, and my gear could be better.

And if you go for a crit build, you'll probably be using power charge on crit + crit dmg, which means : 2 blue sockets.

Rolling 4 off sockets is possible, but expensive on a pure armor, so still manageable with some currency.

( I only have the shadow section + 24% increased ES from the witch to increase my ES, plus CI and what's beyond of course, that gives me a total of 5542 ES atm. My template is not defensivly heavy so, and my shield is far from being the best, which means that it can go much higher. With a 1h dagger, you can still have a much better output dps than me as well ).

I'm not nearly at the point where this would be a huge issue for me yet, but i really don't want to get there just so i can be frustrated to no end by hundreds of biased rolls. That's motivation-shattering material right here. So here's a bump.

Rebumping. I'm trying to roll anything with more than 2+ blue sockets on this:


Which -seems- rather logical (given what the class that would likely use that unique item), however 300+ chromatic orbs later and I've not ONCE see more than 2 blues on a six socket two handed sword. I have gotten all 6 as greens a few times and maybe once all red.

I'm frustrated :-\

Wish I found this thread before I blew a whole bunch of fusings on it too.